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 Post subject: Re: Election Day 2012: Final Score: 332-206! Disney World!
PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2012 3:12 am 
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 Post subject: Re: Election Day 2012: Final Score: 332-206! Disney World!
PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2012 7:15 pm 
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One of my facebook friends is still super rustled about the election and has been posting passively aggressive conservative content since, more recently in the form of political cartoons. I think my favorite one is this.

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 Post subject: Re: Election Day 2012: Final Score: 332-206! Disney World!
PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2012 11:33 am 
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man, some republicans are super pessimistic. like anyone i've had 'debates' about the reelection with has compared this to north korea and nazis and i just want to know why do you think so dumb

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 Post subject: Re: Election Day 2012: Final Score: 332-206! Disney World!
PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2012 12:26 pm 
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One of my facebook friends is still super rustled about the election and has been posting passively aggressive conservative content since, more recently in the form of political cartoons. I think my favorite one is this.

How dare those thing wanters and stuff needers vote, how dare they! :shakefist: That's a really dumb narrative to push and won't do them any favors in 2016 if the current trend of young and minority voters keeps going up.

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 Post subject: Re: Election Day 2012: Final Score: 332-206! Disney World!
PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2012 12:37 pm 
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I really don't like this glorification of soldiers.

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 Post subject: Re: Election Day 2012: Final Score: 332-206! Disney World!
PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2012 12:42 pm 
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I'm pretty sure we've ridden this U.S. Military boner since WWII, and it doesn't show signs of stopping. Not that I have a problem with the glorification. We've got the best Navy, from what I've been told.

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 Post subject: Re: Election Day 2012: Final Score: 332-206! Disney World!
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War is about killing people. There are no winners and certainly no heroes in any war. That's my opiníon on the matter. That America didn't leave any chance out to take part in most wars of the 20th century even if they didn't have a lot to do with them doesn't help.

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 Post subject: Re: Election Day 2012: Final Score: 332-206! Disney World!
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It's pretty much one-sided. We glorify them while they're fighting for us, but when they retire from fighting, or the fighting is done, we treat them like shit (basically, that second person could BE a past soldier and people would think he's a piece of shit because "there are people dying for our freedom every day" and "he's asking for hand outs").

Then, once a year, we parade them around (usually just the older veterans, from wars like Korea and WWII) to show how much we appreciate them.

Except we refuse to hire them because they're liabilities, refuse to house them because "everyone should be self-sufficient", and we refuse to council them or get them help for things like PTSD which they only have because they "fought for us" like we used to adore them for. At which point, when they cross the line, fall apart, or do something that doesn't sit well with us, we're aghast at how a noble former soldier could possibly do this.

Unless they're Muslim, in which case they've been indoctrinated by the terrorist scum.

Some soldiers get prosthetic limbs (though not all of the ones that need them), some that are paralyzed or mentally disabled get taken care of their whole lives, and everyone can look forward to trying to get a college degree "for free" after being in the military, in order to incentivize the new generation (or rather, the poorer of the new generation), but good luck if places find out you were in the military before (especially if you were deployed), or believe your degree is trash because you got it when you turned 25-27 rather than when you were 21-23.

EDIT: D-vid, we didn't get into wars expressly because we wanted to (for the most part). The World Wars, Spanish American War, and the wars in the Middle East (Barring Iraq which most people realize was futile except for getting rid of a dictator that we put into power in the first place) had our involvement after we were attacked in some way, and even though our presidents and congress pretty much did not want to become involved, the people forced their hand with the idea that there needed to be some form of retribution. Had World War 1 gone on any longer, public opinion would have changed when they learned that nearly 15% of the country were wounded or killed fighting in some of the least major battles of the war.

Korea happened due to the communism scare and the idea that we were the best suited to go help fight another war at that point for the sake of justice. Europe backed us and provided troops for at least the first part of the war before changing their minds due to turmoil at home, but even then still encouraged us to fight the fight for them, which is kinda ironic given that most of Europe loathed us at the time for being glory hogging war-mongers, yet still felt fine using us to take care of dirty work.

Speaking of dirty work, Vietnam started with the French begging for help in controlling their colony, which they handled badly. After we got in (which we only did because of the spread of communism, not really to help France), the French pulled out and gave up control, it became very apparent that the US could not fix what France broke there.

I'm not here to justify war at all, but frankly, all but Iraq were unavoidable, either because the American people would not allow themselves to be attacked without retaliating, or because other countries tried to coerce us into helping because "International Peace" and/or "fighting Communism". Hell, England was so mad about us refusing to enter World War 1, that they were complacent with letting the Lusitania sink, as they figured it'd force our hand to join.

But please, do tell how much we love going out and beating up kids for their lunch cheddar, as if no one else in the developed world picks up a nickel or quarter while we're doing so (yet still disapprove of us doing it), or throws a punch of their own but act like they've done nothing wrong.

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 Post subject: Re: Election Day 2012: Final Score: 332-206! Disney World!
PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2012 1:20 pm 
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Technically in a cold war sense, the US won the Vietnam war. the point was to stop communism. Vietnam isn't communist. politically it was a disaster, though
mostly not communist, but socialist

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 Post subject: Re: Election Day 2012: Final Score: 332-206! Disney World!
PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2012 1:22 pm 
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Stranaton wrote:
Technically in a cold war sense, the US won the Vietnam war. the point was to stop communism. Vietnam isn't communist. politically it was a disaster, though

It was later unified under communism after Nixon took us and the last of any UN forces out of Vietnam, though communism didn't last long, as they went through a reform movement and fixed up their government to be a Socialist Republic.

So we really didn't even "achieve" that.

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 Post subject: Re: Election Day 2012: Final Score: 332-206! Disney World!
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It was later unified under communism after Nixon took us and the last of any UN forces out of Vietnam, though communism didn't last long, as they went through a reform movement and fixed up their government to be a Socialist Republic.

So we really didn't even "achieve" that.

in the end both the US and Soviets/Chinese were using another country for war games

also their government is technically a "Marxist–Leninist people's democratic single-party state"
how do you democracy with one party? :psyduck:

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 Post subject: Re: Election Day 2012: The Generation of Free Stuff
PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2012 1:31 pm 
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You either vote for them, or you don't vote.

But actually, 1 party usually means that there's only one organized political party. Like imagine if only the Democrats had their national convention, and Obama ran against just a bunch of independents (of which, Romney was a prominent one).

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 Post subject: Re: Election Day 2012: The Generation of Free Stuff
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The thing that gets me is I'm a soldier, so technically I fit both demographics of "patriotic military man" and "ignorant college kid". I don't want people to glorify me, or call me ignorant for voting based on whether or not I want to continue receiving my education, I just want people to realize that just because you're a part of something, that doesn't mean you fit neatly into this little stereotype and that a biased political cartoon is going to perfectly describe your character. So really when someone yells at someone for being an ignorant college kid, and then glorifies the military in the same sentence I don't know what the hell I'm supposed to do.

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 Post subject: Re: Election Day 2012: The Generation of Free Stuff
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Reyo wrote:
I just want people to realize that just because you're a part of something, that doesn't mean you fit neatly into this little stereotype and that a biased political cartoon is going to perfectly describe your character.

I'm registered as a republican because I prefer their fiscal plans usually.
I don't actually blindly support the party, and I've voted Democrat before.
I want pro choice and legalization of [insert drug to get high here] despite me not wanting to do drugs. I think people should be free to do what they want, while still being forced to take responsibility for their actions.
I am anti Obamneycare, but I think that the existing system is flawed and could use some change. I just don't think hurting people who work over 30 hours a week and small/medium businesses is worth it. I also want the choice to opt out and not still be charged for the government plan.

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