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 Post subject: Re: HOLY SHIT IT'S E3 2012
PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 5:14 pm 
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Could someone explain the big deal behind this

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 Post subject: Re: HOLY SHIT IT'S E3 2012
PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 5:14 pm 
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I wish they'd quit with the "New Mario" series. The games were a lot funner before the movement got all floaty and slow if you ask me.

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 Post subject: Re: HOLY SHIT IT'S E3 2012
PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 5:17 pm 
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Mete wrote:
Could someone explain the big deal behind this


Well I mean after ten years or so you'd expect the art to get better, not way worse.


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 Post subject: Re: HOLY SHIT IT'S E3 2012
PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 5:18 pm 
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Mete wrote:
Could someone explain the big deal behind this

if you think the one on the right looks good you need to go to the doctor and get your tastebuds checked out

also this: http://i.imgur.com/LEeI2.jpg

the labels are swapped

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 Post subject: Re: HOLY SHIT IT'S E3 2012
PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 5:20 pm 
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Mete wrote:
Could someone explain the big deal behind this

Apparently Nintendo committed mass murder of people's childhoods by changing/not changing Reznor.

I grew up on SNES and think Reznor is fine. He was the doofiest motherfucker in the games with his small feet and dumbass smile (along with the fact that you beat him in like 10 seconds).

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 Post subject: Re: HOLY SHIT IT'S E3 2012
PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 5:26 pm 
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pparently Nintendo committed mass murder of people's childhoods by changing/not changing Reznor.

That never came into it, you are just dismissing it as nostalgia because you can't defend bad art any other way.

I'm not saying I want the old one, I'm saying it should be better than the old one. Isn't that what Reggie said when he introduced it?

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 Post subject: Re: HOLY SHIT IT'S E3 2012
PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 5:34 pm 
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Not that I want to interrupt your conversation on art style, but what time is the 3DS conference they were planning on having?

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 5:37 pm 
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Not that I want to interrupt your conversation on art style, but what time is the 3DS conference they were planning on having?

6 PM PST

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 Post subject: Re: HOLY SHIT IT'S E3 2012
PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 5:45 pm 
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I really don't understand how it's bad art. That's my opinion. I'm not defending anything. You guys are trying to make a point that you aren't even articulating besides some nebulous concept that this is bad because it is "worse" than world and it's "bad art".

So far the arguments I've seen online have been "They're bringing back Reznor in 3D? RUINED FOREVER" and this argument of how it hasn't been "improved" by some unexplained criteria therefore it sucks. That kind of sounds like complaining about there being changes/not enough changes to a minor boss character that's been gone for 20 years.

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And so what? It's branding. Back then they had to make games drastically different in pretty much every way or else no one would buy or they'd confuse the games. Mario has an established brand and doesn't need to shake the formula on their 2D mario games in aesthetic style too much to have a successful game. And keep in mind, hardware was a limiting factor with the graphics revolving around the gameplay. As Mario's gameplay changed, so did the graphical needs. With gameplay pretty much strapped in, graphics can be consistent, but still flexible with the added power of the consoles. The most important aspect of the game is that it's fun.

Besides which, I found SMB3 to be a pretty shit game with bad level design so I'm kinda glad the NSMB games are consistently good, if somewhat too easy.

And the conference is tomorrow at 6pm PST, tonight at that time is the Developer's round table, which I found out is still a closed off event.

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 Post subject: Re: HOLY SHIT IT'S E3 2012
PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 5:46 pm 
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I have to agree that I don't care much for another Mario game.


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 Post subject: Re: HOLY SHIT IT'S E3 2012
PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 6:03 pm 
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Kamak wrote:
I really don't understand how it's bad art.
Please do not go into a career that involve design or the use of color. And I did articulate, I said that it didn't create the right atmosphere and that the colors clashed. You are the one that has not articulated anything regarding the art other than "It's not that bad"
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So far the arguments I've seen online have been "They're bringing back Reznor in 3D? RUINED FOREVER" and this argument of how it hasn't been "improved" by some unexplained criteria therefore it sucks.
That has no bearing on what anyone in this thread has said.
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or they'd confuse the games.
It's funny you said this, in the image I linked all the games are mislabelled and there is hardly any difference, did you even notice?
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gameplay stuff
They've shown nothing of new or exciting gameplay, what they've shown in a coin gimmick and shit that was in World.

2D Mario is nothing but cash-ins and games that are "Not that bad". Nintendo only puts effort into 3D Mario.

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 Post subject: Re: HOLY SHIT IT'S E3 2012
PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 6:06 pm 
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Kamak wrote:
I really don't understand how it's bad art. That's my opinion. I'm not defending anything. You guys are trying to make a point that you aren't even articulating besides some nebulous concept that this is bad because it is "worse" than world and it's "bad art".

So far the arguments I've seen online have been "They're bringing back Reznor in 3D? RUINED FOREVER" and this argument of how it hasn't been "improved" by some unexplained criteria therefore it sucks. That kind of sounds like complaining about there being changes/not enough changes to a minor boss character that's been gone for 20 years.


You are missing the point here so bad, It isn't that they changed the boss charter, they just made him look really, really horrible. Nobody cares that it's the same character. Really, we don't. The argument isn't that "it's different and its 3D so it's bad", The argument is "it clashes terribly, the model work is just horrible, and it looks like shit"

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And so what? It's branding. Back then they had to make games drastically different in pretty much every way or else no one would buy or they'd confuse the games. Mario has an established brand and doesn't need to shake the formula on their 2D mario games in aesthetic style too much to have a successful game.


So..by your logic, it's okay to be lazy and make a shitty game, as long as it sells good?

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And keep in mind, hardware was a limiting factor with the graphics revolving around the gameplay. As Mario's gameplay changed, so did the graphical needs. With gameplay pretty much strapped in, graphics can be consistent, but still flexible with the added power of the consoles. The most important aspect of the game is that it's fun.


that's the thing though, in the older games, the graphics were consistent in the older games. But they were unique to each game. That made it interesting. No one is asking for cutting edge graphics, we just want it to look nice.

Wanna know why paper mario was such a big hit? Hint it was because they swapped up their formula and tried something different. It had it's own unique art style and appeal to it, the gameplay had fun aspects to it, and the environments were done well.


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Besides which, I found SMB3 to be a pretty shit game with bad level design so I'm kinda glad the NSMB games are consistently good, if somewhat too easy.


keep dying on a level
"shitty game bad design 0/10 fuckthis"

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 Post subject: Re: HOLY SHIT IT'S E3 2012
PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 6:17 pm 
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I want to see another game like Super Mario Sunshine. I have nothing against the newer 3D titles, but Sunshine is one of my favorite Mario games.

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Doesn't look bad to me at all. Really, the only thing that changed was the direction they were facing and that could easily be changed.

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I want to see another game like Super Mario Sunshine. I have nothing against the newer 3D titles, but Sunshine is one of my favorite Mario games.


have to agree with this, daisies that was a good game. Galaxy is great and all, but I liked the feel of Sunshine better.

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