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 Post subject: Re: Vanilla Swirl Mafia Thread DAY 4
PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2012 1:11 am 
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Where did those 2 votes for Brekkjern come from? Neither Zorinth nor Chopstix gave a reason for their choice and they came out of nowhere. It almost looks like they're trying to coordinate a lynch on someone and that raises a red flag for me.
Zorinth said that voting for Brekk was 'a safe bet' but he didn't say anything more than that.

If Zor and Chopstix are trying to start a bandwagon, that means they might be trying to draw attention away from Goat and that's only increasing my suspicion towards him.

Lynch Electronic Goat (3).

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 Post subject: Re: Vanilla Swirl Mafia Thread DAY 4
PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2012 1:14 am 
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Oh, and there's that thing Chopstix said about anyone voting for Goat being 'mafia straight away'. Sounds like a guilt trip to me.

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 Post subject: Re: Vanilla Swirl Mafia Thread DAY 4
PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2012 2:14 am 
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I'm kinda surprised you are all not thinking this through.

Electronic goat has to be the insane cop because there was no way he could have known retardus was miller. The chances are astronomically low that he would randomly peg him as a 'guilty' role. And of course they aren't going to kill goat because doctor will be protecting him. He the biggest asset to town at the moment and killing him will make sure town loses.

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 Post subject: Re: Vanilla Swirl Mafia Thread DAY 4
PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2012 2:24 am 
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I considered the option that he could have been the true insane cop. But I also considered that he could have just gotten lucky, pegging the miller like that on the very first night. Then he says that the hooker's been stopping him every night after that, and at that point he hadn't even mentioned being the insane cop. If he really is the insane cop, all he did when he revealed his role was attract the mafia and render his role useless. I can't see the real insane cop doing that until later in the game, when the stakes are higher.

And you still haven't explained your reasoning behind targeting Brekkjern.

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 Post subject: Re: Vanilla Swirl Mafia Thread DAY 4
PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2012 2:39 am 
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I hate to agree with people in this game, considering it makes you a target later on, but Cori does have a point. You've given us no reason to vote for Brekk.

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 Post subject: Re: Vanilla Swirl Mafia Thread DAY 4
PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2012 3:03 am 
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It's silly I'm becoming a target not but, maybe I missed something.

I'm voting brekk because he was the first one to jump onto goat and vote on him even though his insane cop claim completely checks out.

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 Post subject: Re: Vanilla Swirl Mafia Thread DAY 4
PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2012 3:17 am 
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 Post subject: Re: Vanilla Swirl Mafia Thread DAY 4
PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2012 4:15 am 
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I am saying this right now
I believe brek and cori(unless she claims another possible role, then look into it, still fairly sure) are mafia, as for darkin, I am unsure, possible, though not sure enough.
Now yes, this is mostly based on reactions to goat at the moment, meaning goats claim would have to be correct. Brek I am sure of though. Brek is going after goat in a way that just seems way to suspicious. I don't know if anyone else will believe me, and if I am wrong I am willing to sacrifice myself if need be. Go after Brek people, its not worth going after goat right now. Goat has claimed insane cop, and I have no reason to see why goat would be lying under these circumstances. what are the odds that the mafia coulda hit the miller, they have no way to find this out. I doubt that a mafia member would be in this circumstance as well.
Why would the mafia risk not just losing 1 person, but 2 for something that might not work out like this. If goat were mafia the real insane cop woulda investigated, as well as the people who have defended goat. wait a bit to kill off goat, you really could hit the insane cop, leaving only the tracker to gather evidence, and the tracker can't be 100% sure what the evidence means in all cases.

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 Post subject: Re: Vanilla Swirl Mafia Thread DAY 4
PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2012 7:08 am 
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Do I have to remind you guys that last day I actually didn't want to lynch him because I thought that loosing the cop was a bad idea until we could check out what he claimed? I even voted to lynch who he claimed to be mafia, but the target was innocent. True, it was a miller, and I understand that the cop would see the miller as guilty, but running the "I am hooked. I can't do anything and I can't actually check any other person to prove my innocence" card is classic mafia. We have seen it nearly every other game we have had. This makes me lose all the trust I had for him initially.

To me, this just screams mafia. It is a sure fire way to get rid of one person and get a crapton of support from it. It shows. You guys are supporting him which means his plan worked flawlessly. I am voting for him because I believe he is mafia. If not, he just outed himself too soon, which is a shame if true, but at any rate, he is of no use to us if he is constantly hooked.

That is my reasoning and you may like it or dislike it, but I don't think you can find a logical fallacy in this. Please go ahead and disprove me.


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 Post subject: Re: Vanilla Swirl Mafia Thread DAY 4
PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2012 1:41 pm 
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Goat, your lame joke seems more of an excuse now to defend yourself from looking bad and unsure.

electronic goat wrote:
Sadly, with the hooker on me and you guys losing trust in me very quickly, I am afraid I am losing even my confirmed innocence. I guess you guys lynching me wouldn't necessarily be losing a power role so much as it would be losing a villager.

However, I still think there are those more guilty than I am. Darkin, as I mentioned before, stands out as suspicious to me.

Are you planning on giving up? You're still kind of useful, as long as the hooker doesn't get you.. which is kinda unlikely because you're the cop and all, but still. And how is Darkin suspicious?

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I gotta vote with Runes here, and since that's really the best we've got today, I'm gonna go with a safe bet and push it.

Lynch the Goat (1)

I'mma go with my gut here and say it's a mafia hoping to get a kill early on.

I found this suspect. It's shaky, and defines lynching me, the insane cop, as "The best we've got", "a safe bet" and "a gut move". This would have eliminated me, a possible and reputable source of evidence, should I get the hooker off my back.

Lynch Darkin (1).

When he was accusing you he just said "gut feelings" about his random lynch to you. If he said "random.org gods tell me it's you" would that be less suspicious and shaky? You're being shaky yourself, comparing yourself to just a regular villager when you've claimed a key role against the mafia. Stick with what you've claimed, and don't be too wary of everyone being against you. Because you're the cop, right? We couldn't really win without you. :?

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 Post subject: Re: Vanilla Swirl Mafia Thread DAY 4
PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2012 2:35 pm 
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Just a heads up, you guys have like 24 more hours to make a decision before the day ends and no action is taken.


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 Post subject: Re: Vanilla Swirl Mafia Thread DAY 4
PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2012 2:42 pm 
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With 9 people left mafia wins if they can get one person lynched and then kill one tonight. Now for the gunsmith: if we lynch goat and goat turns out to be the cop give the crossbow to someone who was against goats lynch, be careful of who, we dont want it to blow up in their face. If we lynch brek and it turns out he is town, same thing there.

And now since there is nothing to lose and I suspect I am going to die by the morning, here ya go, the reason I trust Goat: I am the tracker(not that there is any way to prove this) and here are my findings:

night 1:
You go out and track Cori, you watch Cori as he/she visits Potato.

night 2:
You track Crisp, who just sits at home watching tv. Nothing of interest happens.

night 3:
You set out to track Electronic Goat, as you watch him, you see a hooker bump into him, and a thief enter his house. Talk about a party.

Also, remember that goat did intact lynch a false guilty, there is no way to have known that unless you were the cop/insane cop, not even the mafia could figure it out, and would require a bit of luck to get.

With these findings I am assuming that Cori is the thief and that goat is in fact the insane cop.

and brek, please no meta in anyway, don't bring other games into this one.

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 Post subject: Re: Vanilla Swirl Mafia Thread DAY 4
PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2012 4:07 pm 
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random.org-ing between darikin & egoat.

Sacrifice E-Goat to the elder Ice Cream Gods (4)

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 Post subject: Re: Vanilla Swirl Mafia Thread DAY 4
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:? I guess I'll bandwagon that. Lynch Electronic goat (5)

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PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2012 4:14 pm 
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OK SO

AngelicSongx wrote:
Are you planning on giving up? You're still kind of useful, as long as the hooker doesn't get you.. which is kinda unlikely because you're the cop and all, but still. And how is Darkin suspicious?

Yes, I'm kind of useful, but so is everyone else. Remember, we are all basically power roles now, and with the hooker tagging me, my position is nullified. Compared to others, I am basically a villager that is occupying the hooker, and I don't want to keep claiming that I'm going to bring in buckets of evidence for everyone if that might not be true.

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When he was accusing you he just said "gut feelings" about his random lynch to you. If he said "random.org gods tell me it's you" would that be less suspicious and shaky? You're being shaky yourself, comparing yourself to just a regular villager when you've claimed a key role against the mafia. Stick with what you've claimed, and don't be too wary of everyone being against you. Because you're the cop, right? We couldn't really win without you.

"Gut feelings" is not a valid reason to lynch the cop, seeing as how I just said how important I was (though yes, I have taken some of that importance back following the hooker's second visit). If he dictated that his random feeling was enough to put a vote in to lynch one of the most important power roles without justification (and believe me, there is justification there) then yes, I find that very suspicious.
I would have not voted to lynch him had he perhaps given an elaboration similar to Brekkjern. Brekk has given a story that is certainly possible, but not true. Should we follow his story, we would end up lynching an innocent power role. But I think it's still possible that Brekk is innocent because of his justification, though he could certainly still be mafia. Darkin, however, has presented only a gut feeling that would put us in a much worse place. I'd shoot him first, anyway.

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