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 Post subject: Re: Mass Effect general
PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 10:03 pm 
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Ah, fantastic. I kinda closed the game when Tali started crying.

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 Post subject: Re: Mass Effect general
PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 11:32 pm 
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whoa hold up massive ending spoilers bros be careful

I think

I think the ending

was the best thing we could logically hope for.

It wasn't what I wanted, really, at all. Not even close. Yet, at the same time, it was the only thing I could expect the nearer to the end I actually got. It took me a while to even figure out what was going on but once I did it was sort of neat how it was all set up.

The Crucible was designed to stop the Reapers, by the controlling force they talk about on Thessia. Once a cycle could set it up, that meant that the Reapers could no longer do their job right, and they needed a new solution. The reason why the Reapers existed in the first place is because creations will always turn against their masters, part of the pattern. The most advanced species are processed into new Reapers to preserve them, and to allow organic life to continue before synthetics wipe out all life. Essentially, while advanced species die, new ones can rise up for a time instead of being all killed. Once the species start to destroy themselves with the synthetic lives they create, they're processed.

The Conduit Kid isn't bodaciously the kid you see in the beginning. He's an avatar of the Reapers' master, designed to appear to whoever makes it that far, and to direct them on how to break the cycle. He takes the form of the child more than likely because that's Shepard's big thing in ME3, the fact that he couldn't save everyone, and this gives him the chance to stop it all. Symbolism and whatnot.

The Mass Relays had to be destroyed to send out the signal. This was blatantly obvious although some people don't seem to get it? The Relays sent the signal to other Relays all over the galaxy, but exploded to send the signal through the actual systems. Since an explosion big enough to destroy all Reapers without touching the Relays would be incredibly overly massive, the relays made smaller purges which resulted in them blowing up. It also removes the biggest weapon the Reapers have against the universe, so no matter what, they're severely delayed.

I really did marvel a bit at the choices presented. Despite being almost clearly labeled as Paragon and Renegade, they're really not. The represent the basics of the cycles, once again talked about on Thessia. Control, Order, and Chaos. Control gives you, naturally, control over The Reapers and thus the cycles. Order removes the NEED for cycles, by removing both organic and synthetic life and merging them. Chaos completely annihilates the cycle, meaning that while no synthetics exist now and thus no Reapers, organics can still destroy themselves but now there's no hope for anything stopping it.

However, none of them are Paragon OR Renegade. The closest is the Order option, which is very Paragon in nature, as it allows for eternal peace among organics and synthetics. But Control is what the Illusive Man wanted, with Chaos being defined by Anderson of all people. Chaos isn't necessarily bad, especially if galactic peace can be kept up, and it removes the threat of the Reapers completely. Control allows you to keep the Reapers, but now they're still around so if things go bad they could come back up, allowing Shepard to essentially control all life.

They have Paragon and Renegade aftermaths, but the choices themselves are very much all neutral in nature.

It's a weird choice, and honestly, one that people don't expect to have thrown at them. By the end of the game, it's fairly clear that even if Shepard doesn't make a choice, he'll die. He's severely wounded and struggling to stay awake. It's still unexpected to learn that two of the "good" choices will lead to your death, no matter what you've done before.

While, yeah, I think it's weird and the choices themselves are SLIGHTLY out of left-field, it's really the only way to end Shepard's story. It's been hinted at, Shepard wouldn't be able to beat the Reapers with just brute force, he would need to make a choice that would affect the whole galaxy. The concept of three ending choices has been around nigh-forever. No matter what, some of your choices won't matter in the long run, even if they were big, because that's just how life goes. Even if you take a chance and do something crazy to help someone, there's always the possibility that you won't be helping anything at all.

This is, really, the only way it could have gone down without being completely unrealistic.

Shepard loses, the person himself cannot win. The galaxy can win. Not you.

Yet, you're the one who allows the galaxy to win. You're the one who can end it all, you can save everyone and destroy the threat to the galaxy. That's you. You're the one who did that.

Even if you don't win, even if in the end you die, you've still had a victory. You've still beaten the odds, you've still survived two fucking suicide missions and death itself, and you've ended a war that has killed thousands of species.

You don't win, but you beat them.

Really, while it's not the best one can hope for, it's the best way to end it off.

Sorry if you think Shepard should have lived, or that the Reapers shouldn't have been given a reason for the destruction, or whatever you think should have gone down. Honestly, too bad. Mass Effect 3 had standards it couldn't have lived up to if it was backed by trillions of dollars and given the best possible team. You're going to be disappointed if you compare it to what you wanted. Think of it not as a standard, what you think it should have been, but as a game. As a game with a story that took two other games to fully explore and expand upon. A game that let you make decisions on a level almost unheard of, and let you KEEP them. Even if they don't stick how you wanted, they still happened and they still effect the story. Even if not massively, until the end.

I'm pop flyin' with it.

If only there was a New Game +...

*new game +*

oh snap dawg

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 Post subject: Re: Mass Effect general
PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 7:45 am 
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These pictures are pretty big.

I'm running the game at a reduced resolution so these pics are not large for me and don't break the forum's frames, though my resolution is 1920x1080. I could resize the future ones I post though.

Put them under links. Go read the RULES, ADVISORIES, AND YOU thread, while you're at it. There's a rule about big pictures.

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 Post subject: Re: Mass Effect general
PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 12:18 pm 
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Alright guys.
I've only played Mass Effect 2, and even then I borrowed it from someone, so should I still play Mass Effect 3?
It looks to me like I need to play all 3 games and make one congruent storyline with one character.

Also, since Tali and Legion died for me, will I be able to do that Geth/Quarian mission?

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 Post subject: Re: Mass Effect general
PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 12:33 pm 
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Yeah, with placeholder palette-swapped characters

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 Post subject: Re: Mass Effect general
PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 1:59 pm 
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The more I think about it, the more I realize I could go on for days about movies I like but not so much about games (because I don't think a lot of them are worth being "favourites") nor albums (because there are few that I like completely and most are VG Music, and I just put Capcom because almost everything people they hired did was great).

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 Post subject: Re: Mass Effect general
PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 2:00 pm 
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FUCK
Apparently I don't have enough paragon points to make a peace between quarians and the geth. I don't even get the option, despite usually having enough points.
Legion ;_; I promise I'll make it right some other playthrough

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 Post subject: Re: Mass Effect general
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Remember that cameltoe pic I posted a few pages back? Found something just as good.


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 Post subject: Re: Mass Effect general
PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 2:32 pm 
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I'm okay with shepard not surviving if I want him or her not to. Give me an option to put in 120% and see him/her live though.

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 Post subject: Re: Mass Effect general
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A writer on Forbes talks about Mass Effect's day one DLC, spoilers ahead:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/20 ... rom-ashes/

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 Post subject: Re: Mass Effect general
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This monastery is creepy as shit and knowing what I'll encounter only makes it worse

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 Post subject: Re: Mass Effect general
PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 5:46 pm 
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Mete wrote:
FUCK
Apparently I don't have enough paragon points to make a peace between quarians and the geth. I don't even get the option, despite usually having enough points.
Legion ;_; I promise I'll make it right some other playthrough


I'm pretty sure you had to save Tali from being exiled in the second game in order to get that option.

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 Post subject: Re: Mass Effect general
PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 6:11 pm 
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Jesus, really? That's some bullshit.

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 Post subject: Re: Mass Effect general
PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 6:13 pm 
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Yup. Also you could've saved Eve if you would have kept the cure for the genophage from the second game.

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 Post subject: Re: Mass Effect general
PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 6:28 pm 
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Yeah, I knew about that

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