Starcraft : Koreans are too good at this game

Shad · **Joined:** Tue Apr 14, 2009 9:43 pm **Posts:** 15289

Idra is hilarious

Madican · **Joined:** Sun Feb 20, 2011 8:18 pm **Posts:** 13531

Syobon wrote:

Oh Idra

you so silly

From what I'm hearing this guy thinks anyone worse than him sucks at the game and anyone who beats him is using a gay build and is still terrible. Not seeing the funny part here.

Syobon · **Joined:** Mon Jan 24, 2011 10:34 am **Posts:** 15027

The funny part is that he's known worldwide for being a rude asshole and that's why he gets free invites to every tournament. He attracts views. He's like a heel from professional wrestling.

Also he's apparently very nice in person.

Syobon · **Joined:** Mon Jan 24, 2011 10:34 am **Posts:** 15027

Destiny on using "cheese" in professional Starcraft

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I've seen snide remarks made every now and then about players who cheese in tournaments.

"What a faggot, so fucking abusive."

"2rax all day, he abuses early game terran so much."

"Cloak banshee zzz"

"Can't win without vortex abuse"

Yes, I've read all of those comments at one point in time, no, I don't think that everyone believes them all of the time.

I just wanted to provide a little perspective on the issue.

Professional gamers do not view gaming as a martial arts. Martial arts are taught to a lot of people for disciplinary purposes, for honor, exercize, sport fighting, etc...etc...Pros do not care if you like them, they do not care if they play "dirty", they do not care if their strategy is going to be nerfed in the next patch.

Rather than viewing professional tournaments as a martial arts, you should view it as deadly combat between two people. These people are not going to be throwing fancy kicks or screaming at each other; these people are going to be gouging eyes out, smashing balls and kicking their adversary while they're down.

When you're playing a game, and it appears as though there's an easily abusable cheese that yields a high expected value when executed, there is absolutely no reason not to do it in professional play. If you feel certain strategies are too powerful given the risk, then you have every right to be upset; but direct your anger at those that balance the game, not those that are doing everything within their power to win a game.

If a certain race could press a button in the beginning of the game to immediately end it in victory for them, it is their prerogative to do so. Professional gamers play the game to win, and they will (and should) do everything within their power to do so.

Note: Destiny is not known for cheesing so he's not defending himself here.
Liquipedia for the definition of cheese

Syobon · **Joined:** Mon Jan 24, 2011 10:34 am **Posts:** 15027

Sorry for triple post, but it's been pretty much confirmed that BW A team players will switch over to SCII in 40 days!
Brace yourselves

Flash is coming

acrylichero · **Joined:** Tue Jun 21, 2011 1:41 pm **Posts:** 19

It's been obvious that kespa's been slowly trying to switch over to sc2 for a while, but I'm not sure if the top class guys will switch over yet.
Still, if fxoboss is right about the certain number of switchers being proper a teamers, these guys will be something to look out for.
Looking at the patterns, the two most notable players that already switched are Hyun and forgg.
Hyun was a b teamer for mbcgame heroes, and he managed to get into code a in less than 2 months of switching to sc 2. Forgg, retired hwaseung oz a teamer and former starleague winner, got through code a and into s in one attempt in a very convincing fashion, but he did have around 6 months of playtime.

If the switches do happen within the 40 days, I am guessing the proleague teams and the top tiers will eventually transition this year. The impact on the sc2 scene will be massive in alot of ways.
The professionalism of kespa, the teams and players in the proleague is on a completely different level to any sc 2 team there is. They will adapt fast and bring alot of changes to the scene.
If the bw a teamers play anything like forgg, it's going to be very hard for foreigners and many sc 2 players to keep their heads above water. The multi tasking and mouse accuracy of these guys are ridiculous.
Another thing I'm worried about is the cheddar these bw teams have. I doubt any team in the world can get anywhere near the cheddar SKT, KT and cj entus have. If these guys wanted to, they can pretty much buy out all the good players in sc2.
Also ogn and gomtv will need to bury the hatchet when the switch happens or there could be some drama.

I'm still very sad that the a teamers are switching. BW is still a fantastic game and I still feel sc 2 is nowhere near worthy successor to what is one of the greatest competitive games ever. I just hope the influx of skill will completely change the game and make it as deep and complex as bw is, and for the devs to not fuck up the expansions.

Syobon · **Joined:** Mon Jan 24, 2011 10:34 am **Posts:** 15027

Yeah, I fear for foreigners chances of ever getting good tournament results if all the Korean players switch to SC2. It will be sad to see the Brood War era come to an end, but it had to happen eventually.
For anyone wanting to know what a high level Brood War game is like, here is an amazing one casted by HD, he explains all the differences so it should be pretty accessible.

I do think Starcraft II has the potential to get close to the level of play BW has, especially since there are still 2 expansions and lots of patches coming, especially with the BW legends hopefully upping the ante.

acrylichero · **Joined:** Tue Jun 21, 2011 1:41 pm **Posts:** 19

Syobon wrote:

Destiny on using "cheese" in professional Starcraft

Note: Destiny is not known for cheesing so he's not defending himself here.
Liquipedia for the definition of cheese

This is quite interesting because Flash got a shitload of hate for being a cheeser in his rookie days.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDNMvEVtInA

In his debut osl, a 15 year old flash destroyed bisu with two consecutive cheeses. Bisu, being bisu, was the fan favourite and had an army of fangirls/boys and flash got alot of flak for it from the community.
People called him a cheesy faggot who can't play, someone who will be forgotten in a season or two.
4 years later...

The monster

It's funny because people gave Rain alot of shit for cheesing his way to the gsl finals. Now it's kinda clear that he's an extremely solid terran with somewhat consistent mlg finishes.

acrylichero · **Joined:** Tue Jun 21, 2011 1:41 pm **Posts:** 19

Syobon wrote:

I do think Starcraft II has the potential to get close to the level of play BW has, especially since there are still 2 expansions and lots of patches coming, especially with the BW legends hopefully upping the ante.

I'm hoping the dev team dont fuck up the patches and expansions. I've lost a lot of faith especially after the hots preview.
I really do hope they bring back stuff like micro tricks, high ground advantage and splash over kills.

Syobon · **Joined:** Mon Jan 24, 2011 10:34 am **Posts:** 15027

Three things:

News: Idra has been knocked back into Code A.

Analysis: Mindgames in the latest GSL matches.

And last but not least, a replay of the first professional Free For All with 8 players from TeamLiquid, casted by Husky:

Old, I know, but awesome for anyone who hasn't seen it yet.

Syobon · **Joined:** Mon Jan 24, 2011 10:34 am **Posts:** 15027

News:
MC switches from oGs to SK Gaming

Mechanics:

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I have been watching oGsForGG stream lately. I noticed something that I haven't seen previously on other terran streams. He was pulling his mules off the minerals before they expired. Why? You may ask yourself. The mules don't complete their last trip therefore wasting the minerals they collect entirely on that trip.

This got me curious if this was true for close and far mineral patches. It isn't. The far mineral patches return the exact same amount of minerals over the mule duration (270) but the mule expires before taking 30 more from the mineral patch

Everything I have heard has been terrans saying to mule the close mineral patches as the income is greater because they make the trips faster. This is true, though only slightly so. Watching the replay with the income tab open and only a mule harvesting the income would fluxuate between 120 and 240 at a rate that I could not tell the difference with my naked eye.

What does this mean? Every mule on a close patch will waste 30 minerals (blue). It actually better to mule the far patches unless you intend to pull the mule off before the final trip. that 30 per mule will add up quickly to be a substantial amount. By the time the base is mined out you may have completely wasted hundreds of minerals.

Other:

HuK wrote:

us players need to get all gangsta and shit. im listening to 2pac gangsta party and gangsta paradise at the same time, got me all heated and shit. fuck dis shit we need to get together ride out, then put some motha fukin work on these punk booty tournaments like some o g (original gamers). piss in bottles on stage and shitw hen they dont let us go to bathroom break.

FEEL ME MOTHA FUCKAS?

Syobon · **Joined:** Mon Jan 24, 2011 10:34 am **Posts:** 15027

I love these "In a nutshell" videos.

Syobon · **Joined:** Mon Jan 24, 2011 10:34 am **Posts:** 15027

Bronze League: A Social Experiment.

Tetrunes · **Posted:** Fri Jun 08, 2012 9:31 pm

Oh man oh man, HotS looks great.

Syobon · **Joined:** Mon Jan 24, 2011 10:34 am **Posts:** 15027

Guess I'll crosspost the vids here:
New HotS unit update:

And, actual gameplay footage!

I have to say, it's quite obvious that the engagements are a lot more active and exciting in HotS. I think there might be some potential in here. Now I really want to see Terran in action. Also the Zerg player could have easily won that, he needed to deny the oracle with his corruptors, especially when the corruptors became useless when Protoss stopped making Colossi. He also didn't upgrade his units, what the dick.

AWKWARD ZOMBIE

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