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 Post subject: Re: zombie apocalypse thread
PostPosted: Wed May 11, 2011 3:22 pm 
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It's not the same thing. For one thing, the idea that you would react the exact same way to an outbreak of a rabies-like disease as you would to the dead rising from their graves is a farce. For another, there are a number of differences between an infected and a true zombie, just as there is a difference between a rabid dog and an undead one.


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If they're still alive then they're even easier to kill. Seriously, just tell people to shoot on sight and I can guarantee the horde would vanish overnight.

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 Post subject: Re: zombie apocalypse thread
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Ame no Akai wrote:
A horde of shamblers is bad enough; a horde of not-dead runners is even worse.

Think of your classic zombie apocalypse, Blitzkrieg Edition.


They see me roll in
My Sherman
Dyin'
And makin' the streets dirty.

I did mention I live near a National Guard Armory right?

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 Post subject: Re: zombie apocalypse thread
PostPosted: Wed May 11, 2011 6:27 pm 
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Well I live near... an AF base. That counts. Nice, wide open runways and whatnot.

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I live in Canada. I think I'm gonna have to rely on Melee weapons.

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 Post subject: Re: zombie apocalypse thread
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Kiyske wrote:
It's not the same thing. For one thing, the idea that you would react the exact same way to an outbreak of a rabies-like disease as you would to the dead rising from their graves is a farce. For another, there are a number of differences between an infected and a true zombie, just as there is a difference between a rabid dog and an undead one.

It depends on what ind of disease we're talking about, or whether it's a parasite.
A parasite which controls a host body would be the same as a true zombie, in fact the only difference from a true zombie would depend how long it took for the parasite to take full control of the host.
A rabies type infection (which I wasn't even talking about in my previous posts) would still have all the symptoms of a normal zombie, give or take a few things, as I said before.
Too many thing would have to be inferred or implied to make an argument for or against these ones.
Would they feel pain?
Would they bleed?
Are their functions be dependent on more than simply an active brain?

Infected zombies are true zombies.
Solanum, the zombie virus is the way you become a zombie.
Virus, infected, zombie. Zombies are infected individuals who have been reanimated through infection by Solanum.
Unless you're talking about magic zombies brought to life through necromancy.

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 Post subject: Re: zombie apocalypse thread
PostPosted: Wed May 11, 2011 8:58 pm 
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I live in Canada. I think I'm gonna have to rely on Melee weapons.

Let's Hockey Stick this shit up!
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 Post subject: Re: zombie apocalypse thread
PostPosted: Wed May 11, 2011 9:16 pm 
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Hockey sticks.

With cleavers duct-taped to the business end.

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 Post subject: Re: zombie apocalypse thread
PostPosted: Wed May 11, 2011 9:31 pm 
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Taxicab Samurai wrote:
A rabies type infection (which I wasn't even talking about in my previous posts) would still have all the symptoms of a normal zombie, give or take a few things, as I said before.

My bad. Exeres mentioned 28 Days Later, so I assumed that was what we were going by.

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Infected zombies are true zombies.
Solanum, the zombie virus is the way you become a zombie.
Virus, infected, zombie. Zombies are infected individuals who have been reanimated through infection by Solanum.

Pretty sure the only place that even mentions that is the Zombie Survival Guide. You can't make a general statement like that when the explanation for the zombie plague is usually different in every franchise.

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Unless you're talking about fucking magnets zombies brought to life through necromancy.

Technically, those are the only true zombies, if we go by folklore.


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 Post subject: Re: zombie apocalypse thread
PostPosted: Wed May 11, 2011 10:10 pm 
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Kiyske wrote:
Pretty sure the only place that even mentions that is the Zombie Survival Guide. You can't make a general statement like that when the explanation for the zombie plague is usually different in every franchise.

If that holds true then there's no point in talking about it at all.
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Technically, those are the only true zombies, if we go by folklore.

Yes, though folklore is created by what people perceive based on their culture and superstitions, not on what may actually happen.
Again, if this holds true then talking about any zombie other than zombies raised by necromancy is off topic and not to be discussed.

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 Post subject: Re: zombie apocalypse thread
PostPosted: Wed May 11, 2011 11:11 pm 
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But then again, the folkloric zombie doesn't even eat human flesh, so it would be rather pointless to talk about it at all.
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It depends on what ind of disease we're talking about, or whether it's a parasite.
A parasite which controls a host body would be the same as a true zombie, in fact the only difference from a true zombie would depend how long it took for the parasite to take full control of the host.
A rabies type infection (which I wasn't even talking about in my previous posts) would still have all the symptoms of a normal zombie, give or take a few things, as I said before.

Now that I think about it, you raise a good point here. Although they're technically not the same, the end result is close enough that there should be no problem with similar scenarios being discussed.


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I don't know how to deal with people kinda agreeing with me.
Do...do I do cocaine or something?

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 Post subject: Re: zombie apocalypse thread
PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2011 3:42 am 
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TaxicabSamurai wrote:
Would they bleed?


There is no realistic scenario in which they wouldn't bleed. Fictionally realistic, maybe. Just pointing that out, other than that, I agree.

So the only difference in combat with these L4D kind of zombies is that they can run as fast as a human and are also more vulnerable due to relying on a digestive tract? Still hardly a threat for a professional military force.


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 Post subject: Re: zombie apocalypse thread
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Alright. Well, let's take a look at the digestive and respiratory tract thing then. Hrm, now that I think about it, I pretty much assumed all zombies had that already, since there is no way they could function without it, except magic. It did make me think about something though. You could simply starve them to death. This is a hard thing to do in cities, where food is everywhere, but it does make the attraction of isolated places greater. If you'd hide on top of a mountain or across a desert, the horde wouldn't be able to reach due to running out of food. This in general greatly reduces their ability to travel actually, I doubt they'd be effective hunter/gatherers in the wild. Also, after completely taking over a city, the horde would probably start dying out after a while, running out of supply.

Alternatively, they could turn to cannibalism. Once this border is crossed however, I think they'd turn into a giant feeding frenzy until almost none are left.

Other than that, their ability to run means we should rely on ranged weaponry, as the risk of getting overrun is simply to big up close. Head shots, or aiming for other critical organs like the heart is still preferable, as they'd be able to keep going for a while after getting shot in say, the stomach.


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 Post subject: Re: zombie apocalypse thread
PostPosted: Fri May 13, 2011 1:37 pm 
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okay you could starve them to the point inn which they cant move and there body eventually withers. but think about this, i was just watching the news in which a dog that was lost whenever a family moved from alabama to my home town in southern new Mexico. somehow found his way all the way to the family and appeared on there front porch yesterday morning.
how could he have possibly done this? instinct. plain and simple. when instinct is put into play there is no force that may stop that being.

so if there was a virus that took over the brain and made the host go to basic instinct, nothing would stop it. at all until it withered or was killed which would be a hard feat to attempt.so if the basic instinct for a human is to EAT. then what would it do? turn into a psycho and chase after and eat every living thing it sees. nothing could stop except a shot to the head. and if said virus was carried in saliva or just fluid contact, then a bite when attempted to be eaten would become infected and go out and do again.

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