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 Post subject: Re: zombie apocalypse thread
PostPosted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 10:56 pm 
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The way you described that Solanum virus was pretty interesting badger, as it seemed at least slightly possible. The problem is, those zombies would still know fear. Exactly as you said, fight or flight. Also, it doesn't remove their ability to feel pain or enter shock. So basically you're just dealing with extremely stupid humans. Not exactly a challenge.

So let's disregard that, for the sake of keeping this argument fun. If I were to command the forces of Earth against a zombie invasion, the first thing I'd do is chuck a fuckload of scientist on it. Given a sample and sufficient resources, producing a vaccine shouldn't be much of a problem. Of course, it's possible it's a fast mutating one. I'd focus on the protein hull of the virus then. Try to find out it's composition and find an enzym or acid that breaks it down. It might be pretty hard to develop one that doesn't have severe side effects though. If you could find, you'd have found the cure. Even if the virus develops extremely fast, if you can inject the cure right after infection, it would be stopped before it can do it's damage. Probably best to develop a method to easily and quickly apply it, so that every soldier could get outfitted with a couple.

Also, it's extremely hard for me to picture scenario's of zombies vs. the army(especially the "classic" ones you seem to be talking about here) where the zombies don't get obliterated. Rag tag band of heroes? Not so much.

Well, the body is essentially rendered dead. The virus is sort of "in control" and doesn't use organs or the nervous system as a way to register pain. The "fight or flight" is a instinctive mechanism. If the virus was in control, they wouldn't be a threat. That's why it doesn't know fear, since it's in constant "you must die" mode.
As for a vaccine, the smallest dosage of Solanum is lethal, so that's out of the question. An anti-virus or virus-attacking acid may work, but it would require study of Solanum which, do to its solitary presence in zombies, is difficult to attain. The scientific approach, however, is the best one. Blowing shit up until the problem solves itself won't work too good.

I don't seem to be getting a lot of support for my survival scenario, but I still stand by it.

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 Post subject: Re: zombie apocalypse thread
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 Post subject: Re: zombie apocalypse thread
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Well, the body is essentially rendered dead. The virus is sort of "in control" and doesn't use organs or the nervous system as a way to register pain. The "fight or flight" is a instinctive mechanism. If the virus was in control, they wouldn't be a threat. That's why it doesn't know fear, since it's in constant "you must die" mode.
As for a vaccine, the smallest dosage of Solanum is lethal, so that's out of the question. An anti-virus or virus-attacking acid may work, but it would require study of Solanum which, do to its solitary presence in zombies, is difficult to attain. The scientific approach, however, is the best one. Blowing shit up until the problem solves itself won't work too good.

I don't seem to be getting a lot of support for my survival scenario, but I still stand by it.



The virus being "in control"? Short answer: no. But, let's say it feels neither pain or fear. It's still just as vulnerable as any other human. Those organs and stuff are there for a reason. If you'd shoot a human without pain or fear which only goal is to eat you in say, the stomach, it's still not going to last longer than half an hour before ceasing function. So you're basically dealing with humans with incredible endurance, knowing pain nor fear. They're still ridiculously retarded though. Still hardly a threat for armed personnel.

I don't want to poop on your parade, just trying to point out that it's very hard, probably impossible to come up with a scientifically valid explanation for zombies.

In the case of dealing with any threat through violence, the army is obviously the way to go though. I mean, just one army helicopter with a machine gun could wipe out any zombie horde.

Edit: Also concerning vaccines, for some viruses you can just use dead versions of the virus or modified ones that are non-lethal. My knowledge on vaccines doesn't go beyond that though, so I don't know the precise limitations.


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 Post subject: Re: zombie apocalypse thread
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If there ever IS a zombie apocalypse, We should all post in this thread if we are still alive

:shock: this is agreed by music!

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 Post subject: Re: zombie apocalypse thread
PostPosted: Thu Apr 07, 2011 10:21 am 
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Day 42. I was bitten by a zombie, but I'm not sure if I caught the virus from it. I am not experiencing any side effects. Many of my crew have been turned, I had to shoot every one of them. The remaining crew found out about the bite, and are debating killing me before I become a problem.

So what are you guys up to? Kill any good zombies lately?

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 Post subject: Re: zombie apocalypse thread
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The virus being "in control"? Short answer: no. But, let's say it feels neither pain or fear. It's still just as vulnerable as any other human. Those organs and stuff are there for a reason. If you'd shoot a human without pain or fear which only goal is to eat you in say, the stomach, it's still not going to last longer than half an hour before ceasing function. So you're basically dealing with humans with incredible endurance, knowing pain nor fear. They're still ridiculously retarded though. Still hardly a threat for armed personnel.

The organs themselves cease function once the body dies. The brain is the only functioning part. Zombies eat, like I said, out of instinct, not to gain energy. Solanum just uses the primary brain functions as somewhat of a side effect of feeding on the brain.
My reasoning about the armed forces here is a) the effects of fear, which is inevitable in some cases, when conventional fire passes through a corpse with little result, and b) the fact that the bigger gun you have, the more likely you are to become cocky and sure of yourself. It's nothing against the military, it's just basic psychology: a man with a high-powered weapon in his hands blasting ceaselessly at an oncoming horde is going to start feeling invincible, thus making him more likely to make some disastrous mistake. This is not all cases, but it's still dangerous.
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I don't want to poop on your parade, just trying to point out that it's very hard, probably impossible to come up with a scientifically valid explanation for zombies.

Well, duh. I don't think there's one yet. I just like the Max Brooks one best.
On the converse, the scientific community didn't believe in the platypus until they saw a live one. Toss that around in your head a little.

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In the case of dealing with any threat through violence, the army is obviously the way to go though. I mean, just one army helicopter with a machine gun could wipe out any zombie horde.

Not ones that are in buildings. If you don't know they're there, you have no reason to shoot at them. You'd also miss ones underground; ones that had found their way into the sewer or basement complexes or something. You may also incapacitate many, but not kill them, which, as I've said many times before, would require a clean-up crew. Cleaning up is dangerous work and pointless when a squad just getting head-shots would kill all of them.

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Edit: Also concerning vaccines, for some viruses you can just use dead versions of the virus or modified ones that are non-lethal. My knowledge on vaccines doesn't go beyond that though, so I don't know the precise limitations.
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And the description of Solanum goes no further, either. We have reached the end of this implausible science rope.

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 Post subject: Re: zombie apocalypse thread
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The organs themselves cease function once the body dies. The brain is the only functioning part. Zombies eat, like I said, out of instinct, not to gain energy. Solanum just uses the primary brain functions as somewhat of a side effect of feeding on the brain.

A brain needs blood and oxygen to function. The heart would need to beat and the lungs need to breathe.

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 Post subject: Re: zombie apocalypse thread
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th3badg3r wrote:
The organs themselves cease function once the body dies. The brain is the only functioning part. Zombies eat, like I said, out of instinct, not to gain energy. Solanum just uses the primary brain functions as somewhat of a side effect of feeding on the brain.

A brain needs blood and oxygen to function. The heart would need to beat and the lungs need to breathe.


very good point however, the brain is not "functioning". its dormant. like,all elecrical items need a power source there " brain" however once the batterys are out of juice if you lick the end of the batterys an electrical spark is created which keeps the batterys going even though there is no juice or power within them. what solanum pretty much does is it keeps on licking the brain battery there fore making it run without a source to power it. :science:

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 Post subject: Re: zombie apocalypse thread
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 Post subject: Re: zombie apocalypse thread
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No, I mean the brain isn't just a battery that can be kept alive by constant licking. That is a very silly analogy.

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 Post subject: Re: zombie apocalypse thread
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The organs themselves cease function once the body dies. The brain is the only functioning part. Zombies eat, like I said, out of instinct, not to gain energy. Solanum just uses the primary brain functions as somewhat of a side effect of feeding on the brain.


BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHA

Seriously, you weren't serious with that were you? I mean daisies. It's pretty simple dude, those organs are there for a reason, basically, they convert matter back in to energy, and transport that energy to the muscles, which allows those to move. No organs-->no energy-->no muscles--> no movement--> no zombie.

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Well, duh. I don't think there's one yet. I just like the Max Brooks one best.
On the converse, the scientific community didn't believe in the platypus until they saw a live one. Toss that around in your head a little.


This is starting to become less funny and more sad. That was more than 200 years ago man. Science has evolved a ridiculous amount since then. I enjoy discussing fictional subjects as much as the next time, but zombies like you describe them go against eve basic logic. So let's try to keep in mind we're discussing a fictional subject here okay?

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Not ones that are in buildings. If you don't know they're there, you have no reason to shoot at them. You'd also miss ones underground; ones that had found their way into the sewer or basement complexes or something. You may also incapacitate many, but not kill them, which, as I've said many times before, would require a clean-up crew. Cleaning up is dangerous work and pointless when a squad just getting head-shots would kill all of them.


I don't know man, maybe you should take a look at modern military equipment first. They've got thermal imagery and stuff, but I'm sure you can come up with reasons why they wouldn't work. You'd still be able to just lure them out. As for cleaning up, have you seen the guns on modern helicopters? They basically reduce stuff to dust.

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My reasoning about the armed forces here is a) the effects of fear, which is inevitable in some cases, when conventional fire passes through a corpse with little result, and b) the fact that the bigger gun you have, the more likely you are to become cocky and sure of yourself. It's nothing against the military, it's just basic psychology: a man with a high-powered weapon in his hands blasting ceaselessly at an oncoming horde is going to start feeling invincible, thus making him more likely to make some disastrous mistake. This is not all cases, but it's still dangerous.


Everybody has already said this a thousand times, but let me just try to get through to you one more time. What you just said applies to anyone dude. It's not because you've been reading book about them that you(or those policemen or whatever who you were talking about) are any better prepared for the effect of seeing one in real live. The military is trained to kill things. They are brainwashed to laugh in the face of death, to wade through seas of blood and guts without even blinking. They'll be surprised by the zombies once, maybe twice, but that's it. It doesn't take rocket science to figure out you have to shoot them in the head. As for them feeling invincible, first of all you're contradicting yourself, but w/e, second that's regarded by most tacticians as a good thing. It's also pretty hard not to feel invincible when you have a gun and the other guy doesn't.

Whoooo, long post and I'm probably coming off as a giant dick again, but w/e.

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Something about knowing nothing about the virus.


True, but we know it's a virus, and I'm getting the feeling that is telling me a lot more than it is telling you.


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 Post subject: Re: zombie apocalypse thread
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Oh yeah, I definitely agree with you, it all depends on your goal and how far the invasion has spread. Still, having those sort of things as an emergency backup is definitely a plus.


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 Post subject: Re: zombie apocalypse thread
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well of course the zombie body isnt going to last froever. even brooks himself said in his book that within 3-5 years or so the body will dacay, this will probably be a year or to shorter because of thefact that yes a body does need food to produce energy and it needs oxygen and blood and so on.but when a body is running on pure instinct. nothing can stop it. not just a humans but any living thing nothing would be able to stop it except for......A SHOT TO THE HEAD! :colbert:

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well of course the zombie body isnt going to last froever. even brooks himself said in his book that within 3-5 years or so the body will dacay, this will probably be a year or to shorter because of thefact that yes a body does need food to produce energy and it needs oxygen and blood and so on.but when a body is running on pure instinct. nothing can stop it. not just a humans but any living thing nothing would be able to stop it except for......A SHOT TO THE HEAD!


Alright, just to be in the clear, we're looking at a fictional zombie again right?

Then, let me ask you, how is a zombie going to harm you when it's turned into a fine paste? Is it going to bleed on you? And even when using less collateral damage causing weapons and again, fictional zombie, you could also render it pretty harmless, by shooting off the limbs, or with enough bullets in the torso, you will eventually stop motor function. Also, if one mere bullet is enough, I'd prefer automatic weapons to rifles. You're bound to hit with at least one bullet if you just shoot for 2 secs and have decent aim. You can also take more zombies out quicker.


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 Post subject: Re: zombie apocalypse thread
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well of course the zombie body isnt going to last froever. even brooks himself said in his book that within 3-5 years or so the body will dacay, this will probably be a year or to shorter because of thefact that yes a body does need food to produce energy and it needs oxygen and blood and so on.but when a body is running on pure instinct. nothing can stop it. not just a humans but any living thing nothing would be able to stop it except for......A SHOT TO THE HEAD!


Alright, just to be in the clear, we're looking at a fictional zombie again right?

Then, let me ask you, how is a zombie going to harm you when it's turned into a fine paste? Is it going to bleed on you? And even when using less collateral damage causing weapons and again, fictional zombie, you could also render it pretty harmless, by shooting off the limbs, or with enough bullets in the torso, you will eventually stop motor function. Also, if one mere bullet is enough, I'd prefer automatic weapons to rifles. You're bound to hit with at least one bullet if you just shoot for 2 secs and have decent aim. You can also take more zombies out quicker.


okay the common mistake people assume is that the apocalypse is going to last forever. its not. like at all. it will last in the extreme 10 years. there may be a few thousand left but not at all more than that. they will have either decayed or have been killed.

but getting back to argument,umm bro. you make a good point with your whole tactics thing but not everybody on earth is smart enough to know that. so many fat cattle will fall before the smart and strategic survive. adding to the bitten and eaten and infected.
no a 31/2 year old zombie will not be able to do much damage but a mere bite will turn you into an infected blood thirsty zombie also adding to the infected.

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