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 Post subject: Re: A Link to the Cast (Part2)
PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 8:56 am 
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I would like to see the whole table, if possible.

Same here.

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 Post subject: Re: A Link to the Cast (Part2)
PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 11:30 am 
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Somebody could edit a complete table up themselves maybe?

What comes below mercenary? Would anybody fall into a 'peasant' category? How would one classify an animal type like Pikachu? What about monsters? Isn't Bowser a shoe-in for the royalty category?

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Alright this one made me laugh and smile, this comic's just like old times. I love it.

Yeah, I think that was the appeal of the old style Awkward Zombie Smash Bros. comics - that being the kind of comedy that plays off the disparate personalities of the different individual Smash Bros. - I mean instead of the other Awkward Zombie comics which are mostly just observations of dumb stuff that happens in video games.

I don't want to be too much of a nerdling about it, but yeah, the Smash Bros comics have often had a feeling of 'deeper lore' going on - I think that's why those comics have a more inviting kind of comedy to them. Or it's just that Katie's appreciation of these characters and their individual personalities/universes/backstories shines through in this kind of comic.

I dunno. I just wanted to say this comic was alright. Funny like the comics were back in the day. Not that the other comics aren't funny. They're just different.

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 Post subject: Re: A Link to the Cast (Part2)
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This comic was, to me, the most hilarious in quite a while. I do think Katie thrives with Smash Bros jokes.

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Somebody could edit a complete table up themselves maybe?

What comes below mercenary? Would anybody fall into a 'peasant' category? How would one classify an animal type like Pikachu? What about monsters? Isn't Bowser a shoe-in for the royalty category?


I was already thinking that most of the Pokemon must fit into the lowest possible category of "Slave", except Mewtwo who would be a bit higher in "Vagabond". Pokemon Trainer might also be a "Vagabond" due to being kicked out of their parents' house at age 10, but a vagabond who owns slaves would probably perplex someone from a traditional aristocracy like Marth quite a bit.

Come to think of it, the classical expectation of MegaMan is also Slave. But Marth may not understand that because Marth shouldn't be able to comprehend robotics.

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Three, isn't Young Link the Link that has been hanging around since ever though ? He was disguised as Twilight Princess Link but was still Ocarina of Time Link. He simply had to put the Master Sword back in the Temple of Time to be a kid again.


"Disguised"? Ocarina of Time Link and Twilight Princess Link are actually different people. Ocarina of Time Link and Majora's Mask Link are the same, but Ocarina of Time Link didn't exist in either Brawl or Smash 4, and is finally back in his younger form (who is also Majora's Mask Link) in this game.

Notably, Adult Link from OoT cannot also be Majora's Mask Link because Link had already re-sealed the master sword before experiencing Majora's Mask.


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 Post subject: Re: A Link to the Cast (Part2)
PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 5:23 pm 
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"Disguised"? Ocarina of Time Link and Twilight Princess Link are actually different people. Ocarina of Time Link and Majora's Mask Link are the same, but Ocarina of Time Link didn't exist in either Brawl or Smash 4, and is finally back in his younger form (who is also Majora's Mask Link) in this game.

Notably, Adult Link from OoT cannot also be Majora's Mask Link because Link had already re-sealed the master sword before experiencing Majora's Mask.


I think GUIGUI is referring to this.

Also, Marth putting Royalty above Divinity is pretty funny to me. :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: A Link to the Cast (Part2)
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 Post subject: Re: A Link to the Cast (Part2)
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That single chart has so many clever statements in there that I can't applaud this.

Personally, I rank characters by how much sportsmanship they show when they lose. No, seriously, someone apparently did that on Twitter and it's amazing.
Ice Climbers are at the bottom because they don't even clap, while the top tier is full of the adorable characters. And Wario.


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 Post subject: Re: A Link to the Cast (Part2)
PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2018 8:12 am 
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codetaku wrote:
GUIGUI wrote:
Three, isn't Young Link the Link that has been hanging around since ever though ? He was disguised as Twilight Princess Link but was still Ocarina of Time Link. He simply had to put the Master Sword back in the Temple of Time to be a kid again.


"Disguised"? Ocarina of Time Link and Twilight Princess Link are actually different people. Ocarina of Time Link and Majora's Mask Link are the same, but Ocarina of Time Link didn't exist in either Brawl or Smash 4, and is finally back in his younger form (who is also Majora's Mask Link) in this game.

Notably, Adult Link from OoT cannot also be Majora's Mask Link because Link had already re-sealed the master sword before experiencing Majora's Mask.

This wasn't about the games' lore, but Awkward Zombie's lore.
Back in Brawl times, Katie drew a comic of TP Link coming to take OoT Adult Link's spot in the roster, only for OoT Adult Link to beat him up and steal his clothes.
So, in AZ Smash Lore, TP Link got his booty kicked and never joined the roster, while OoT Adult Link had to learn to love chainmail.

That being said, since OoT Adult Link and OoT Young Link were both playable in Melee, one could argue they were two separate Links. I suppose Melee's Young Link left the building back when Brawl came out, and that for Ultimate, the original Melee Adult Link (aka Impostor TP Link) was replaced by Actual BotW Link (hence his "what hat?" antics in the previous comic). Then, who is Ultimate Young Link?… Is he Melee's Young Link that left when Brawl came out? Or is he Melee's Adult Link who returned the Master Sword to become young again?

Well, I believe he is Melee's Young Link. The reason is simple: as you pointed out, being from a different timeline, OoT Adult Link does not know about Majora's Mask. If Ultimate's Young Link was Melee's Adult Link who returned the Master Sword, he would not recognize BotW Link's mask. Since Ultimate's Young Link flips out when BotW Link dons the mask, it's natural to assume he is the genuine Young Link, aka Melee's Young Link, and not Melee's Adult Link Who Returned The Master Sword To Become A Kid Again.

…There always was another thing on my mind, though: Katie draws OoT Adult Link and TP Link's hair differently. In every Brawl comic after OoT Adult Link beats up TP Link, though, the Link we see has TP Link's hair. Does that mean TP Link eventually took the spot that was rightfully his? Or did he go back to his farmer life, while OoT Adult Link fixed his hair to look like the hair of the person he's impersonating?

A mystery for the ages.


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Isn't Bowser a shoe-in for the royalty category?

He is on the chart. :P
I can't help but wonder where Dedede falls on this chart though. He is only a self-proclaimed king, though nobody in Dream Land really argues against him having that title.

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 Post subject: Re: A Link to the Cast (Part2)
PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2018 9:02 am 
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Great Handsome Oppressor wrote:
(...)That being said, since OoT Adult Link and OoT Young Link were both playable in Melee, one could argue they were two separate Links(...)

According to the AZ lore, OOT Link and Young Link are the same character, but at different point in personal time. At least, OoT link seems to think so:
https://www.deviantart.com/hail-nekoyas ... n-18578397
https://www.deviantart.com/hail-nekoyas ... g-15383097

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(...)Well, I believe he is Melee's Young Link. The reason is simple: as you pointed out, being from a different timeline, OoT Adult Link does not know about Majora's Mask. If Ultimate's Young Link was Melee's Adult Link who returned the Master Sword, he would not recognize BotW Link's mask.(...)

Actually, IT PROVES it is actually, OOT adult Link after he has put back the sword in the temple of time. That he know about Majora Mask prove that he has already experienced the even of OOT AND MM.
So, it goes like this for the AZ lore:
-Young link in melee is before OoT Link become adult.
-Adult Link in melee is Adult Link from OoT
-Adult Link in Brawl is Link from OoT impersonating TP Link
-Utimate comes, Zelda sends him back in the past for him to experience MM
-He is now in Ultimate.
Everything OOT adult Smash Link from AZ has done, he remembers after having turned back into a child for the final time and came back to Ultimate after having experienced MM.

Then again, it is possible, though, that around the events of Smash 4, TP Link finally replaced OoT link:
http://www.awkwardzombie.com/index.php? ... mic=101314

Or whatever Trophies/spirits would experience when they have memories of the game the character they represent come from. Because adding actual Smash lore will make everything simple.

codetaku wrote:
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Notably, Adult Link from OoT cannot also be Majora's Mask Link because Link had already re-sealed the master sword before experiencing Majora's Mask.

Regardless of whether you take the AZ lore, or the canon lore, Majora Mask Link IS OoT link. Everything OoT link did, it is something Majora Mask Link has done in his own personal past.

Back to the tier list, for those looking for it Katie made a twitter post with it
https://twitter.com/katietiedrich/statu ... 1463909376


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Shulk may or may not belong in the divinity category, depending on what moment in the plot of Xenoblade Chronicles the Shulk in Smash Bros. is meant to represent.


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 Post subject: Re: A Link to the Cast (Part2)
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About the tier list, I will add one last thing : Mario is Dr. Mario, the same way Samus is Zero Suit Samus.


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 Post subject: Re: A Link to the Cast (Part2)
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I see what you mean, GUIGUI, I like your explanation! Especially about TP Link. And it's been so long since I've seen these deviantArt comics, aah, the nostalgia…
This is a very good AZ Link Lore Timeline!!

Also, if you again take AZ lore, Dr. Mario and Mario are separate characters (Samus asks Dr. Mario why he hasn't left after Melee despite not being playable, which implies Dr. Mario is a different entity from Mario), but Samus and ZSS are the same character.
…I don't think we've really had Sheik and Zelda in the same comic, but this one is really easily explainable by saying OoT Zelda just became Sheik and left the Zelda spot open for TP (and now ALBW) Zelda.

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 Post subject: Re: A Link to the Cast (Part2)
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Maybe Dr. Mario is a future Dr. Mario that finally got his medical degree later in life and then... Time travel ?


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 Post subject: Re: A Link to the Cast (Part2)
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 Post subject: Re: A Link to the Cast (Part2)
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I fully welcome the Dr. Mario statement,but this:
https://twitter.com/katietiedrich/statu ... 0088582144
is bodaciously heresy.

edit : wait does this forum actually auto-correct "bodaciously" ? look like it. The on time it might actually be fitting.


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 Post subject: Re: A Link to the Cast (Part2)
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hahaha rosalina the space clown

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