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I tried.
At least I can put my first tally on the "Times I've Been Called an Extreme Leftist" chart.
Usually they just say "SJW".

I mean would you prefer SJW?

Best believe it.

No, you didn't try. That's the problem. You made an intellectually lazy assumption.


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Actually, I'll elaborate

There's probably a reason you usually get called "SJW". Again it seems like you're the type of person who claims to be all for equality and social justice, you don't want to apply that to people who disagree with you ideologically. You of course probably don't see this as a problem, because you've demonized and dehumanized those who disagree with you, you've "other"ed them. You want Fascism? Because that's how you get Fascism. (sorry for the Archer reference.)

But seriously, that's why you're not just wrong, but dangerously so. Any Fascist regime needs to have exactly your mindset, they need to find a way to justify censoring and oppressing certain groups. The difference between you and I is I want equality for EVERYONE, even people I don't like.

People keep pointing you to a very handy list Obnosim made of things Trump has done that go far beyond "run[ning] his mouth," but you obviously keep ignoring it. Try reading it for once, you might learn something. As for the the whole "Mexico will pay for it" thing, that's obviously bullshit. There's no way in hell he could ever get Mexico to pay for that fucking wall.

Raimu, two things:
1. Welcome to the forum!
2. You made some perfectly valid points in your post. However…as harsh and abrasive as Malum was, they're kinda right. After Trump has repeatedly encouraged his supporters to commit violent acts, after everything he's said to raise hatred and paranoia towards Muslims and Hispanics, after he's lied through his teeth about wanting to help the LGBTQ community while choosing Mike Pence as his running mate, after all of his misogynistic comments and his revolting dismissal of his "grab 'em by the pussy" line as "locker room talk," supporting him does display an appalling amount of willful ignorance and a fucking disgusting lack of empathy. I'm not saying that a person shouldn't be allowed to comment or should be "censored" or whatever just because they support Trump, but I am saying that supporting him says (to put it very lightly) some very unsettling things about their character.

First of all, don't ever post another "triggered" joke if you want to keep your account free of warnings. If you wanna talk about intellectual bankruptcy, that's a good one too.

Secondly, whether or not Trump supporters are racist is irrelevant - supporting someone with racist, islamophobic ideas is still supporting these ideas, even if you don't agree with them.
There is nothing wrong in saying that Trump is a racist, sexist piece of shit rapist and that people who vote for him DO in fact support that, EVEN if they disagree with these things. You can't well pick and choose - whether you like it or not supporting Trump IS supporting his and his VP's views on LGBTQA+ people (as in they think they're freak that need conversion therapy (aka they want to kill them)). Trump was quite pop flyin' to pose for a picture with his father - who was wearing a KKK uniform. He's horrible, he's racist, he's disgusting. You cannot ignore that this is what you support when you vote for him or voice your support of him. By doing this, you endanger us.

Why would you want me to be open-minded with people who support a politician who literally thinks I'm a deranged monster? Demonizing fascists is not, and never will be, wrong. It should be normal to call out a fascist's words and call them what they are - disgusting, dehumanizing, and shameful. And I'm not sorry, but saying Trump's words are dangerous and gross is much more intelligent than whatever that orange shitbag that somehow grew vocal cords ever said. Rarely in history have we achieved anything by having a civilized conversation with fascists - because most of them don't care, they hate us, and want us below them or gone entirely.

"The only good Nazi is a dead Nazi", all that. You know what put the brakes (temporarily) on the rise of fascism in post war England? Groups of Jewish people going to fascist rallies and beating the shit out of fascists. And lemme be clear I don't want any of you to get your teeth kicked in. But by supporting or excusing Trump, you walk in the footsteps of fascists so bad Jewish people HAD to go out in the streets with a 2x4 to stop them from endangering them.
Racists like Trump do deserve to be able to speak, yes. But they also deserve to be shunned and shamed for what they say. They are horrible. They are racists. They want us dead, for fuck's sake.
The only way you can be fine with Trump's ideas if is you're a fascist yourself, or if his presidency won't impact you directly through your privilege, in which case you're selfish (and still supporting a fascist).

You make a valid point Great Handsome Oppressor, but can't the same be said about Clinton? Sure, she might not be as bad as Trump, but aren't you still condoning her evil and corruption by voting for her?

Well I ain't voting in this election seeing as I'm French, of course, but yes, that's absolutely true and undeniable. I personally think she's more competent and will leave less scars in the long run than Trump would, but I do understand being wary of her. I just think she's not on a level comparable to the hate-mongering of Trump.

1- Thanks friend.

2- It's possible I'm too "charitable" when it comes to Trump, I attribute most dangerous things he says to a combination if stupidity and the fact he's not a very articulate man. I think he's very nationalistic and wants to protect the country from outsiders, but I don't think he has the first clue how to accomplish this or the words to say it without coming off as a racist lunatic. The Pence thing I can't defend in any way, I don't think I could vote for anyone who would choose Pence as a VP... or to be associated with the man in any way.

As for the "Grab em by the pussy" thing, believe it or not, what bothers me most about that is... well how outraged people are over it? And how THAT is apparently what changed a lot of peoples minds if the correlation in polling is any indication. Maybe I'm crazy to not find it surprising or bothersome in the least, but Trump is a billionaire (allegedly) who was born with a sliver spoon in his mouth. He's rich, he's entitled, I really don't find that surprising at all? I dunno, maybe I'm weird, but I think anyone who was voting for Trump up until that statement needs to evaluate their life priorities.

But yea, there are a lot of Trump supporters who I find personally very disagreeable, who I just wouldn't get along with in real life, but some of them are pretty nice, generally rational people who I've had pleasant conversations with... despite disagreeing with them politically. Some people just.... think Hillary is a bit worse I guess?

Vote for the singularity, begine human shells weak with malice and avarice. Ascend to the machine form and finally you too can be good at video games.

Also, I'm gonna lay this out here. If you are going to disparage and demean a candiate, I ask that you at least post evidence or sources as to WHY someone is terrible whether its Clinton or Trump. Simply saying theyre scum isnt helpful and only moves to devolve a debate into shitslinging.

Not only this but its a chance to prove and expose why you dont like a candate. So many people here disagree with Noff about him liking Trump but Ive yet to see anyone bust out a good list of reasons with sources on why he's so bad. Its one thing to call Trump xenophobic and hateful or Clinton shitty and evil butmit helps if you can show WHY.

just a lil fyi

Looks like I triggered you m8.

If that's what it's like, it's fine, I'll leave. I don't particularity need to be here. I just find it funny that you go on this rant about how much you hate Fascists and the very first thing you do is try to control my speech. How about a little consistency eh?

I don't agree with dehumanizing anyone, I'm consistent in that belief, you are not. You can go around telling yourself that anyone who supports Trump is any amount of buzzwords you want, doesn't necessarily make it true. Do you support Hillary? Can I then hold you accountable for being against gay marriage, as an example? Of course not. That's absurd.

Also I'm glad I wasn't the first one to enact Godwin's Law haha. Cheers.

https://www.reddit.com/r/NoStupidQuesti ... d/d3er0hh/ -Issues with Hillary
https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comme ... y_clinton/


https://www.reddit.com/r/EnoughTrumpSpa ... rump_is_a/ - Issues with Trump


It isn't everything, but a good primer on many of the issues people have with both candidates. (i apologize for reddit links, but hey they're collated all in one place i cant argue with the results. I don't know what the trump subreddit is like, i just googled that thread up). Take it all as you will, I'd rather people have all the cards on the table about these people.

Congratulations on your first warning.

You're free to say what you want as long as you're ready to face the consequences. Saying awful things isn't free.

Clinton supports same sex marriage and even back when she did not (so before 2013) she passed laws to try to give lgbtqa+ people equal rights in the few areas she could effect. Meanwhile Trump wants to "reeducate" us. I think the contrast can't be any clearer.

Godwin's Law is an outdated "gotcha!" that has no meaning when the politician Trump has Neo-Nazis supporting him openly. Things can be compared to Nazis when appropriate. A man blaming other ethnicities for the troubles his country faces is reminiscent of Hitler. I'm not sorry but no amount of funny internet memes about Godwin points changes that.

I've not been there myself, but I've heard /pol and the donald subreddit are both wretched hives of scum and villainy.

This seems to be the problem with this election in general, it's less about supporting any candidate, and more about how much you hate "the other guy"

The problem with "grab 'em by the pussy" and similar comments and how they're dismissed isn't that it's shocking or that he said "pussy." Honestly, I'm not surprised that he said it either; it's been clear for a long time that he's a spoiled, depraved shitstain. The problem is that he's celebrating sexual battery. He's bragging about how his wealth and status let him sexually assault women without having to worry about any possible repercussions.
I get that there are Trump supporters who seem nice otherwise (hell, I know a few), but so what? If you met some of the people who are in the KKK or the WBC on the street without knowing who they were, you'd probably think they were pretty nice too. A lot of the most abhorrent people can seem sweet and polite before they expose their hatred towards marginalized peoples, and can even display that hatred in ways that appear sophisticated. Trump supporters are the same way. Just because they put on the appearance of decent folks doesn't make them good people. The fact remains that they are supporting a man who has proposed and supported horrifyingly hateful and violent practices.


You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.


I typically can't stand it when people invoke Godwin's Law, but when a racist demagogue with awful hair rises to popularity among the uneducated masses by stirring up hatred towards marginalized groups (especially a particular religious minority) while having his supporters pledge their allegiance to him with outstretched hands, it kinda feels a little fitting.

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