AWKWARD ZOMBIE

I wish I were a kid again, back when the world wasn't a scary place.

This will effect not only France and Europe, but the world as a whole. And I worry about the peaceful Muslims who just want to live their lives unmolested.

Yeah. The direction we're heading is highly worrisome for everyone involved. I really do wish peaceful coexistence were possible.

I'm still a bit bothered by how some people really twisted my words originally and pulled 'you think all muslims are bad' cards on me despite the fact that I never claimed anything of the sort.

It would be possible if intergration wasnt a complete failure. And its not because of islam, not entirerly anyway, its because France has a sizeable population of disenfranchized muslims stuck in ghettos with no future, no jobs, and nothing to do but stew in their own bitterness. France is basically doing the recruiting for ISIS. There's no visible solution, you cant just throw out the immigrants because then they'll have an even bigger reason to hate you, you cant just let them in with no plan for how they will live here, and you cant just go to the middle east and fix things there because the people in power there dont WANT things fixed. We're all fucked and there's nothing we can do about it.

It really is likely this will eventually result in a very heavyhanded solution, like completely closing the borders. This of course does nothing to solve the problem with unintegrated muslims already present in many European countries.

More attacks like this will occur, and each attack will result in anti-immigration parties gaining steam. Front National in this case.

Here's the thing though, its looking like the attacks were performed by french citizens who's been to Syria for training, which makes sense, because the planning of the attacks would require knowledge about both Paris and french society. This isnt some refugees straight off the rubber rafts, this was a deliberate plan hatched within Franche's own borders. If you want to stop further attacks, you're going to have to root it out at the source

It's likely that if this was ISIS's doing, it was a well-coordinated planned retaliation strike involving French recruits as "revenge" for the reclaiming of Sinjar, as well as the killing of the infamous "Jihadi John".
I feel like this could've been planned ages ago, and they gave up Sinjar in order to have an excuse to do this. I know, "terrorists don't need excuses" but I'm just injecting some of what's been discussed regarding what happened.

By the way, a number of people in Belgium were arrested today in connection to the attacks.

I hate my (extended, sometimes immediate) family.

My aunt is arguing with me about the USA accepting Syrian refugees. Her arguments are "they're all fighting age Muslim men who support ISIS", and she refuses to change her mind despite all the sources I have cited (it's not just a username) and EVIDENCE I have provided that her arguments are totally wrong.

Her sources are the stupid conspiracy bullshit websites that middle-aged Republicans FLOCK to as "the only real news source guaranteed also Obama is antichrist superhitler muslim terrorist".




also she is voting for Trump


can i have different family


unrelated kinda:
How many names does ISIS/ISIL/IS/Daesh have now?

Depends on where you get your news from. Daesh is what they're called by people who do not want to give them legitimacy by calling them islamic. Which is a whole nother can of worms.

I'm currently really torn on the whole refugee thing. I can say though that attitudes towards refugees are becoming more negative Europe-wide. That 'healthy young men' part has legitimacy to it, here at least.

I'm really burnt out on the subject at the moment anyway.

From what I gathered, it's more about not giving legitimacy to the State part.

Mete is correct in that the "healthy young males" part has legitimacy; alongside a bunch of other useful statistics, this page from the UN's official refugee agency points out that the majority percentage of refugees moving through the Mediterranean are adult males at a pretty big 62%.

That's just about the sort of number I remember hearing, yeah. I can very well understand why someone would be willing to reduce their own living standards to aid those truly in need, but these people are most likely simply abusing the naivete of westerners, looking for higher living standards. The system is broken in too many ways.

That's not to say being a healthy young man means you can't be be a legitimate refugee, just that the vast majority of people we could actually be helping are simply stuck on camps near the conflict areas.

I remember reading about Australia's extremely strict 'return the boats' policy. I don't know if it's still in effect, but from what I remember reading, it actually resulted in far fewer deaths than what we have. If people know they'll be turned back, they're less likely to try, at least. Cold hearted, perhaps.

Well, shouldn't we also consider that the most likely to survive and undertake the trek from Syria etc. to Western Europe would be young males? Also, pragmatically isn't a young male the "ideal" sort of refugee, as they can potentially be converted in a useful labour force the fastest, rather than staying a drain on the host country's social services.

But yeah, our main priority should be helping the conflict areas rather than trying to support an endless stream of refugees. Unfortunately solving that hornet's nest might prove near impossible.

The bit about the labour force is true, but even then, what this will result in is a system that becomes unsustainable, fast, and in the end, sustainability is what rules. I just read about our planned budget cuts not being enough to make up for the increased expenditure caused by this year's refugees alone.

Sure, its unsustainable, but no one has made any realistic suggestions about what to do otherwise. Just close the borders and tell the refugees "tough shit"? You might as well be recruiting for ISIS directly because if there's one thing people in general will get angry about, its when they see someone having it better, and that lifestyle being denied for them. How do you think the Somalia pirates have an endless stream of recruits?

But it doesnt matter anyway, nothing we do or say matters. It'll either work out, or we'll see a wave of anti-immigration violence unseen for decades, like starving wild dogs tearing eachother apart.