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 Post subject: Re: The Current Events Thread
PostPosted: Sun Aug 09, 2015 6:30 pm 
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Umm, Bush won in 2004, or does incumbency not count?


i wasn't really counting incumbency no, and his win wasn't really due to the republican party so much as "OH MY GOD 9/11 WE HAVE TO PROTECT AMERICA"

Nah, Bush won bodaciously because he was the incumbent and people didn't want the change in presidents if it could be avoided (unless they REALLY HATE the incumbent). Plus Kerry was a bad match against him because middle America hated his guts and he was more wood than man.

Incumbency is a huge factor in elections, which was why I wasn't sure if you were counting 2004.

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 Post subject: Re: The Current Events Thread
PostPosted: Sun Aug 09, 2015 10:58 pm 
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If Sanders won would it be considered a third party victory? Since he was, but now he's running as a democrat. Might not be since he'd have the support if he secured the nomination, but could prove that people would support third party ideals, but the parties lack the support.

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 Post subject: Re: The Current Events Thread
PostPosted: Mon Aug 10, 2015 12:38 am 
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If Sanders won would it be considered a third party victory? Since he was, but now he's running as a democrat. Might not be since he'd have the support if he secured the nomination, but could prove that people would support third party ideals, but the parties lack the support.


no. he's running as a democratic party member, so it would be a democratic victory.

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 Post subject: Re: The Current Events Thread
PostPosted: Mon Aug 10, 2015 6:28 pm 
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If I recall correctly, the first time Sanders got interrupted by "Black Lives Matter" he tried to respond with evil common sense like "All lives matter" and was subsequently booed, then later apologized for his wicked statements.

Meanwhile cops in Ferguson are still getting shot at during protests likely up in arms about a "gentle giant" story long since disproved. And somehow it's the Republicans' fault?

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 Post subject: Re: The Current Events Thread
PostPosted: Mon Aug 10, 2015 6:55 pm 
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All Lives Matter is technically true but the issue with black people being discriminated against cannot be ignored. That's like going up to a funeral or to someone who just had they house burn down and saying "I, too, have suffered, so stop feeling special".
Ferguson cops are the ones that shot and critically injured an 18-years-old man, not the other way around.
I cannot believe one year later you are saying that Michael Brown was a thug. Besides, even if he had been a thug he did not deserve to get shot for jaywalking. Nobody deserves to get shot.
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 Post subject: Re: The Current Events Thread
PostPosted: Mon Aug 10, 2015 7:24 pm 
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Grand jury reported no evidence to discredit Wilson's claim of having to defend himself, and Department of Justice Secretary Eric Holder said the "Hands up, don't shoot" version most likely didn't happen. I'm having to post from my phone since my laptops was stolen yesterday so I can't include links easily but Google is a thing.

I didn't say anyone deserves to get shot, neither do uninvolved people deserve to get sucked into a hellhole created by lawlessness which was, in turn, probably incited by a lie.

If you're referring to the guy shot in Ferguson recently during the anniversary protests, the guy was reportedly shooting at the cop car first.

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 Post subject: Re: The Current Events Thread
PostPosted: Tue Aug 11, 2015 6:19 am 
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how can you be so actually misinformed on this

do you know how many people are killed by police on a daily basis and the killers are never brought to any form of justice? ever? it's a daily fucking occurrence. the american justice system is a fucking joke that keeps disgusting people in power and allows them to kill the people they're supposed to defend.

going by what they say when it comes to the slow genocide of black people in america is a good way to be completely wrong. the justice system has always been corrupt and harmful to all forms of people who are not white and rich, but more and more recently it's becoming clearer how terrible it is.

cops are murderers. there's no way around that anymore. they kill, and then they're lauded as heroes by other cops.

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 Post subject: Re: The Current Events Thread
PostPosted: Tue Aug 11, 2015 7:01 am 
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Otherwise wrote:
Grand jury reported no evidence to discredit Wilson's claim of having to defend himself, and Department of Justice Secretary Eric Holder said the "Hands up, don't shoot" version most likely didn't happen. I'm having to post from my phone since my laptops was stolen yesterday so I can't include links easily but Google is a thing.

You wanna talk Google?

Everything the Darren Wilson grand jury got wrong: The lies, errors and mistruths that let Michael Brown’s killer off the hook

Mike Brown Shooting Witnesses Gave False Testimony Under Oath To Ferguson Grand Jury

Missouri AG confirms Michael Brown grand jury misled by St. Louis DA

Shocking mistake in Darren Wilson grand jury

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If you're referring to the guy shot in Ferguson recently during the anniversary protests, the guy was reportedly shooting at the cop car first.

The shooter was wearing black.
Tyrone Harris was wearing a white shirt and red pants.
Please stop, this is embarrassing.


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 Post subject: Re: The Current Events Thread
PostPosted: Tue Aug 11, 2015 11:17 am 
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Le Great Handsome Oppressor wrote:
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If you're referring to the guy shot in Ferguson recently during the anniversary protests, the guy was reportedly shooting at the cop car first.

The shooter was wearing black.
Tyrone Harris was wearing a white shirt and red pants.
Please stop, this is embarrassing.

Where is your source for this? Multiple reports say that Tyrone Harris was armed and fired at an unmarked SUV with plainclothes detectives inside, who then fired back.

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 Post subject: Re: The Current Events Thread
PostPosted: Tue Aug 11, 2015 11:53 am 
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Galaxy Man wrote:
how can you be so actually misinformed on this

do you know how many people are killed by police on a daily basis and the killers are never brought to any form of justice? ever? it's a daily fucking occurrence. the american justice system is a fucking joke that keeps disgusting people in power and allows them to kill the people they're supposed to defend.

going by what they say when it comes to the slow genocide of black people in america is a good way to be completely wrong. the justice system has always been corrupt and harmful to all forms of people who are not white and rich, but more and more recently it's becoming clearer how terrible it is.

cops are murderers. there's no way around that anymore. they kill, and then they're lauded as heroes by other cops.

And then they're backed up by "law and order" pop flyin' idiots who thinks if they dont see it happen personally, it doesnt happen at all. American prisons are basically slave labour camps run for profit that corporations can use for cheap labour, they're FULL of people, mostly minorities, who are there on trumped up drug charges, and cops are allowed to gun down children and unarmed innocent people with impunity. And a large section of the population APPLAUDS this. Its sickening.

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 Post subject: Re: The Current Events Thread
PostPosted: Tue Aug 11, 2015 11:56 am 
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Galaxy Man wrote:

cops are murderers. there's no way around that anymore. they kill, and then they're lauded as heroes by other cops.


I'm not saying you're necessarily wrong about anything else, (after all, we're already up to almost four hundred and the year is only two-thirds done:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/fatal-police-shootings-in-2015-approaching-400-nationwide/2015/05/30/d322256a-058e-11e5-a428-c984eb077d4e_story.html

But I just want to remind you that while they are an unfortunately loud and effective part of the group/population, the problem officers that harmfully discriminate, and who go on a power trip are still a small minority. Just assuming that the entire group is like that, that the problem officers have the power of numbers on their side so that there's nothing you can do, is part of how they "win".
Most police officers aren't complete assholes (although by nature of being human, you're bound to catch an otherwise reasonable one in asshole-mode on a bad day or something), so don't be straight up disrespectful.


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 Post subject: Re: The Current Events Thread
PostPosted: Tue Aug 11, 2015 12:49 pm 
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The "innocent" cops cover for the bad ones, they're just as guilty.

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 Post subject: Re: The Current Events Thread
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In some cases, definitely. But they are actually part of the problem portion I was talking about. Maybe it's just that I've been fortunate enough to grow up in an area where most of the police (both city and state patrol) are decent people, but I would think that given how almost half of the population where I grew up was low-income Mexican/Guatemalan immigrants, I would have seen/heard a fairly similar rate of racist asshats compared to other places.

Obviously there will be regions that defy that, and have a much higher rate of assholes allowed to get away with shit, both in metropolitan and rural areas, with virtually the entire department being a bunch of fuckups in some cases. I think those particular areas full of shitty cops are kind of skewing everyone's view though, because THOSE people are what gets reported on. Not the ones that are doing their job to the best of their ability on a daily basis. Usually, the only time police are ever brought up in media for doing their job properly are on the rare occasion that someone ends up killing several officers in some bizarre situation.

It is possible that what I have noticed is an inaccurate reflection of the country as a whole, But I'm still generally hesitant to assume that the entirety of the group is rotten.


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 Post subject: Re: The Current Events Thread
PostPosted: Tue Aug 11, 2015 3:14 pm 
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Where is your source for this? Multiple reports say that Tyrone Harris was armed and fired at an unmarked SUV with plainclothes detectives inside, who then fired back.

These "multiple reports" are not accurate.
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 Post subject: Re: The Current Events Thread
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So your source is four still pictures on Twitter.
Veeeeery accurate.

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