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PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2015 12:44 am 
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Yes, I did read that, and at the time it sure didn't seem like you were proving his point much at all

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2015 1:04 am 
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Hey.
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I'm going to go ahead and say that this conversation should be walked away from for 24-48 hours. People be getting all rustly and grumped, which is not conducive to a productive conversation.

Don't demonize people who are still forming their worldview, and are thus still basing it off of their parents'. If you really want them to agree with you, don't immediately get short with them, calmly present the education to them for them to sort out as they are growing up and possibly reforming their opinions. It may take a while, because growing up often does. The person may still not agree with you in the end, but hey, you tried, and you showed your best representation of that side of the issue while doing so.

To the other side, never underestimate the power of even casual discrimination. Blinded casual discrimination rapidly becomes institutional discrimination, which means that even if half the population has no problem with the minority, societal rules and expectations will still be stacked against them, often completely under the majority's radar.


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 Post subject: Re: The Current Events Thread
PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2015 6:27 am 
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Ok I see the discussion has unfortunately been halted, but there was a pretty large factual error that hasn't been caught out, so I hope it's ok if I still point that out. I will refrain from putting my personal opinion in this post.

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Again, I think we're no longer talking about homosexuals when we say "gigantic chunk of the human race" and "something they were born with and cannot change"

Demographical research seems to put homosexuality at at least 3-5% of the human population (1, 2). Assuming we can extrapolate, that puts them at 300 000 000 homosexuals worldwide.

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There is no consensus among scientists about why a person develops a particular sexual orientation.[1] Many scientists think that nature and nurture – a combination of genetic, hormonal, and environmental influences – factor into the cause of sexual orientation.[1][3] They favor biologically-based theories,[3] which point to genetic factors, the early uterine environment, both, or the inclusion of genetic and social factors.[4][5] There is no substantive evidence which suggests parenting or early childhood experiences play a role when it comes to sexual orientation;[4] when it comes to same-sex sexual behavior, shared or familial environment plays no role for men and minor role for women.[5] While some people hold the view that homosexual activity is unnatural,[6] scientific research has shown that homosexuality is an example of a normal and natural variation in human sexuality and is not in and of itself a source of negative psychological effects.[1][7] Most people experience little or no sense of choice about their sexual orientation,[1] and there is insufficient evidence to support the use of psychological interventions to change sexual orientation.[8]


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 Post subject: Re: The Current Events Thread
PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2015 6:59 am 
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That is actually an interesting chunk of information. I thiiiiiink he was referring to me using myself as an example of how negative/toxic attitudes can be hurtful and discriminatory in a racial way because I have little to no reason to talk about discrimination from the standpoint of sexuality (Which, by the way, wasn't me trying to make the conversation about myself, but rather using an applicable example of discrimination in my life.) I may be wrong but I think that was what he was talking about.

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 Post subject: Re: The Current Events Thread
PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2015 8:45 am 
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Here's some news from Kentucky! All three of us who live here can appreciate it:
Governor Steve Beshear tells county clerks refusing to wed same-sex couples that they are totally going against the constitution and inviting themselves to get wrecked in federal court if any denied couples wish to complain.

It's basically "You took an oath to uphold the constitution when you got your daisies job. Do you even know what that means?"

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2015 10:01 am 
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Well, that makes me like Steve a little bit. I hope the people withholding marriage actually do get in trouble.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2015 11:19 am 
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[Citation Needed] wrote:
Here's some news from Kentucky! All three of us who live here can appreciate it:
Governor Steve Beshear tells county clerks refusing to wed same-sex couples that they are totally going against the constitution and inviting themselves to get wrecked in federal court if any denied couples wish to complain.

It's basically "You took an oath to uphold the constitution when you got your daisies job. Do you even know what that means?"

I wouldn't expect that to be a problem.

I mean they're working in the very government that approved it.

Anyways, good he's speaking about it.

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 Post subject: Re: The Current Events Thread
PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2015 1:30 pm 
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California's governor signed a bill requiring mandatory vaccines for children and yeah, I'm pretty pop flyin' with that.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2015 2:22 pm 
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Honestly? It's about daisies time.

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Blitz Walrus wrote:
California's governor signed a bill requiring mandatory vaccines for children and yeah, I'm pretty pop flyin' with that.


Here in Austin, the largest private clinic in town has put forth a new policy that they will no longer treat unvaccinated children (whether they have never been vaccinated, or are just behind schedule on their shots). They cite the recent measles outbreak and have stated that they do not wish to jeopardize the health of their patients (i.e. those who are already sick, or other children) by allowing unvaccinated children into their waiting rooms and facilities.

Presumably there is an exception if the kids are there to be vaccinated, but I haven't heard that officially be stated yet.


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Oh Jim, I liked your movies, why are you doing this?

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I thought the same thing when I saw that. Sad to see such a funny guy have views like that.

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Does this count as news/current events? Stephen Colbert hosts public access cable show Only in Monroe and in it he also interviews Eminem.

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America just challenged Japan in a mech fight.
Also Some idiot thought NBC changed their logo to show support for Gay Marriage.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2015 5:12 pm 
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Welp. Education hit a new low. Fun list of things faculty are encouraged not to say or do because apparently they're tacitly offensive.

Some of them are common sense, which is probably why the piece of garbage got any attention: raising your voice or speaking slowly when addressing a blind student or saying "You're a girl, you don't have to be good at math."

Many of them don't make much sense at all: "I believe the most qualified person should get the job", "Where are you from?"

A few - unexpectedly - blatantly hypocritical: "Gender plays no part in who we hire", "Men and women have equal opportunities for achievement."

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