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PostPosted: Mon Dec 08, 2014 5:30 pm 
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OH GOD/GODDESS/GODS/GODDESSES SO MANY SPIES.

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Zelda has what's called a "magic nose". Instead of staying on you, they float around your lips.

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There can be simultaneous Zeldas. Like the one from Zelda 1, who was around at the same time as the one from Zelda 2, who was in a long enchanted sleep.

Or Tetra's grandmother.

Or, really, any queen of Hyrule. The previous Zelda is going to be in the world at the same time as the newborn princess, for obvious reasons.

Princesses have the bloodline of the goddess, not an unbroken chain of reincarnation.

Correct, however, that doesn't mean that EVERY Zelda is the reincarnation of the goddess. Personally, I think only the ones who are relevent in any particular Zelda titles are the ones who are the goddess incarnate. Ergo, that's why Link is showing up -- he is reincarnated because his soul feels the Goddess manifest herself back into the world, so his soul is pulled in as well. Which, actually, both could be a reaction to Ganondorf/Demise mucking things up (as in pretty much every Zelda title so far, Ganon/Demise has been at the root, and he's a good deal older than both Zelda and Link each time).


If I may shed some light on this subject (I do consider myself to be a Hyrule Historian of sorts); At the end of Skyward of Skyward Sword, Demise puts a curse on Link and Zelda, saying that the goddess incarnate, and the spirit of the hero will be forced to face his wrath time and time again until the world ends. So yes, It's true that Zelda and Link are reincarnations of the two in Skyward Sword. You're right to say that not every "Zelda" is a reincarnation of Hylia, since, as stated before, every first born daughter in the royal family is named Zelda. Hylia and Link only show up when they are needed. so whether that means demise has reincarnated, or one of his underlings is causing trouble(Vaati, Zant. etc.), that is the only time they appear. Basically what I'm saying, is that only the Link and Zelda that show up in the games are reincarnations. Their descendants are not.
And actually, on the topic of reincarnations. Link may not technically be "Reincarnating" If you think about the Hero's Shade in Twilight Princess; Nintendo has blatantly said that he is Ocarina of Time Link. His regrets caused him to stay behind to teach Twilight Link how to fight. If Link is a reincarnation, then how on earth would two of him be present in the same place at the same time? I suppose you could argue that OoT traveled through time to reach himself in the future, but I find that unlikely. In Skyward Sword, Zelda mentions that there are only a handful of people scattered across time who have unbreakable spirits. I think it's very likely that Link isn't reincarnating, but rather the spirit of the hero is shared between these select few... if that makes any sense.
Anyway, sorry for the long post, just thought I'd throw my two cents in


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I was WAiting for this one.

Also there some subtle mini-edits within this edit.
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I was WAiting for this one.

Another one of these pun fads? I'm Dededesgusted.


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 Post subject: Re: Gnostic
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Please, do NOT jinx it for us or else we'll end up with a Kid Ganondorf or Ganondorf, Jr. or someshit. I beg of you.


I dunno, I think I might enjoy a story of Ganondorf as a youth being groomed by the Gerudo to become the Pig Lord.

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If I may shed some light on this subject (I do consider myself to be a Hyrule Historian of sorts); At the end of Skyward of Skyward Sword, Demise puts a curse on Link and Zelda, saying that the goddess incarnate, and the spirit of the hero will be forced to face his wrath time and time again until the world ends. So yes, It's true that Zelda and Link are reincarnations of the two in Skyward Sword. You're right to say that not every "Zelda" is a reincarnation of Hylia, since, as stated before, every first born daughter in the royal family is named Zelda. Hylia and Link only show up when they are needed. so whether that means demise has reincarnated, or one of his underlings is causing trouble(Vaati, Zant. etc.), that is the only time they appear. Basically what I'm saying, is that only the Link and Zelda that show up in the games are reincarnations. Their descendants are not.
And actually, on the topic of reincarnations. Link may not technically be "Reincarnating" If you think about the Hero's Shade in Twilight Princess; Nintendo has blatantly said that he is Ocarina of Time Link. His regrets caused him to stay behind to teach Twilight Link how to fight. If Link is a reincarnation, then how on earth would two of him be present in the same place at the same time? I suppose you could argue that OoT traveled through time to reach himself in the future, but I find that unlikely. In Skyward Sword, Zelda mentions that there are only a handful of people scattered across time who have unbreakable spirits. I think it's very likely that Link isn't reincarnating, but rather the spirit of the hero is shared between these select few... if that makes any sense.
Anyway, sorry for the long post, just thought I'd throw my two cents in

Ah, thank you for clearing that up. The curse was the bit I was forgetting, and I knew it was confirmed in-game.

As to the Hero's Shade, well... consider this. Ocarina Of Time is the game where the timeline fractures into three separate timelines. What if one of the timelines had actually severed the reincarnation cycle -- by going backwards in time, Link severed himself from the timeline of the world. What we see is Original Link trapped within his skeletal corpse, whereas his descendants are just people who *only happen to be* named Link, but aren't directly his reincarnation anymore. (EDIT: Trimmed for length!)

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Actually, Demise's specific wording was that his curse was upon those who shared "the blood of the goddess and the spirit of the hero".

So, Link is defined by reincarnation, and Zelda by bloodline. At least as far as the curse goes.

Meanwhile, there are maybe two Gamondorfs. He's pretty good at sticking around.


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It seems the Slice of Life Smash comics are back.

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 Post subject: Re: Gnostic
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ShadowDragoonFTW wrote:
Ah, thank you for clearing that up. The curse was the bit I was forgetting, and I knew it was confirmed in-game.

As to the Hero's Shade, well... consider this. Ocarina Of Time is the game where the timeline fractures into three separate timelines. What if one of the timelines had actually severed the reincarnation cycle -- by going backwards in time, Link severed himself from the timeline of the world. What we see is Original Link trapped within his skeletal corpse, whereas his descendants are just people who *only happen to be* named Link, but aren't directly his reincarnation anymore. (EDIT: Trimmed for length!)


That's an interesting way to look at it. But I think that before him there was a Link that wasn't a reincarnation. I don't really know how to explain this, but let me try. Focusing only on the child timeline and everything up until then; I think there are two(Maybe three) incarnations of Link that are being reincarnated over time. It's hard to really pinpoint who is who, but I like to think The first Link, SS Link, and OOT Link are all the same, and that MC Link, FS Link, and FS+ Link are the same. If you see where I'm going with this(Aside from the realistic vs. toon style), Link, SS, and OoT all fight Demise/Ganondorf. while MC, FS, and FS+(at first) are dealing with Ganon's underlings. I still haven't quite figured out where TP fits in, part of me wants to say he's his own incarnation, but part of me wants to think he and SS are the same, while the first Link and OoT are the same, but.... yeah, I'm making this confusing. Thoughts?

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Actually, Demise's specific wording was that his curse was upon those who shared "the blood of the goddess and the spirit of the hero".

So, Link is defined by reincarnation, and Zelda by bloodline. At least as far as the curse goes.

Meanwhile, there are maybe two Gamondorfs. He's pretty good at sticking around.


Yeah, I couldn't think of the exact wording at the time, I still believe Zelda in at least most of the games are reincarnations of Hylia, mainly because of her magical ability, and her wisdom, though I could see something similar to what I posted above with Link happening with her.
Two Ganondorfs? I don't know about that, may I ask where that's coming from?


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 Post subject: Re: Gnostic
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In Four Swords Adventures, Ganon is already an ancient demon king that the monsters worship, but there is also a Ganondorf; the new Gerudo King, who was presumably named that because the Gerudo tribe has no other traditional male names.

From what I understood of the plot, that new Ganondorf rushed off to the ancient pyramid, took the magic trident, and was possessed by he soul of Ganon.

So now there's one Ganon, again, but there were two.

In a different topic, do we have a cut-out image of Nowi asking people for relationships? We use that joke so often that I'm sure someones made one, right?


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 Post subject: Re: Gnostic
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enlong wrote:
In Four Swords Adventures, Ganon is already an ancient demon king that the monsters worship, but there is also a Ganondorf; the new Gerudo King, who was presumably named that because the Gerudo tribe has no other traditional male names.

From what I understood of the plot, that new Ganondorf rushed off to the ancient pyramid, took the magic trident, and was possessed by he soul of Ganon.

So now there's one Ganon, again, but there were two.

In a different topic, do we have a cut-out image of Nowi asking people for relationships? We use that joke so often that I'm sure someones made one, right?



Well, Four Swords Adventures is the last known tale in the child timeline, so most likely they're referring to OoT where we first see Ganondorf transform into Ganon. Either that or the Ganondorf they speak of did not possess the spirit of Demise until after he touched the trident. So either way, there would only really be one reincarnated "Ganondorf", not two.


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Oh my god enough with this pointless debate about Zelda characters being gods for fuck's sake, dissecting humor and criticizing certain points just makes it not funny anymore

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...Wait. Is Marth filing his nails in the first panel?
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That's so like him! :D

Also, i kind of want an avatar of Zelda in the second panel but smiling. Too bad that I can't get photoshop to work on my computer :(

I know the zelda games say stuff about the goddesses making the world, bit I don't remember it saying anything about the universe. So maybe they are just on different planets?

As always, great job on the comic! :D

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 Post subject: Re: Gnostic
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64 Bit Gamer wrote:
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In Four Swords Adventures, Ganon is already an ancient demon king that the monsters worship, but there is also a Ganondorf; the new Gerudo King, who was presumably named that because the Gerudo tribe has no other traditional male names.

From what I understood of the plot, that new Ganondorf rushed off to the ancient pyramid, took the magic trident, and was possessed by he soul of Ganon.

So now there's one Ganon, again, but there were two.

In a different topic, do we have a cut-out image of Nowi asking people for relationships? We use that joke so often that I'm sure someones made one, right?



Well, Four Swords Adventures is the last known tale in the child timeline, so most likely they're referring to OoT where we first see Ganondorf transform into Ganon. Either that or the Ganondorf they speak of did not possess the spirit of Demise until after he touched the trident. So either way, there would only really be one reincarnated "Ganondorf", not two.


No, the game definitely has the Gerudo talking about Ganondorf running off to the pyramid a few days ago, whereas Ganon is known in legend.


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enlong wrote:
In a different topic, do we have a cut-out image of Nowi asking people for relationships? We use that joke so often that I'm sure someones made one, right?


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