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PostPosted: Thu Nov 21, 2013 9:42 pm 
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Choosing to give up your free will is also an act of free will. They willingly become drones.

If Heaven is real, then presumably Hell is too, at which point the choice is reduced to coercion, since you're essentially told to give up your free will or get violated by demons. Heaven is no longer a reward in that case, its the lesser of two evils.

Not really. If you are a good person who has done good things in their life but don't believe in God and such, you get to hang out with famous philosophers and other cool non-believers for the rest of time.

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 Post subject: Re: Debate & Discussion
PostPosted: Thu Nov 21, 2013 10:07 pm 
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Barabba wrote:
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Choosing to give up your free will is also an act of free will. They willingly become drones.

If Heaven is real, then presumably Hell is too, at which point the choice is reduced to coercion, since you're essentially told to give up your free will or get violated by demons. Heaven is no longer a reward in that case, its the lesser of two evils.

Not really. If you are a good person who has done good things in their life but don't believe in God and such, you get to hang out with famous philosophers and other cool non-believers for the rest of time.

Says one part of Christianity, which was most likely added to cover the fact that a large part of the culture of the time originated from before Jesus was around. And even then, Purgatory is described as being a shitty deal, which seems really unfair, since there wasnt any Jesus around back then to offer salvation. So no, plot holes created from trying to patch up the inherit dick move of "Only Jesus Saves You From Hell" doesnt count.

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Which book better conveys the philosophy of objectivism: Atlas Shrugged, or The Rainbow Fish?

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 Post subject: Re: Debate & Discussion
PostPosted: Wed Apr 23, 2014 4:10 pm 
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Topic: Should Marijuana become legalized for recreational use?

I say yes. I used to be the type of person that believed that Marijuana could kill you and was illegal for all kinds of good reasons. But as I have stated before I now smoke for recreational use and I must say I'm not dead yet. I'll further my opinion and why it is that way if and when people rebuttal.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 24, 2014 1:07 am 
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To my knowledge marijuana is about as dangerous as tobacco and alcohol (both of which I believe should be regulated better). So, it has the same chance to kill people as those drugs. And if anyone tries to tell me that marijuana isn't addictive I will not believe another word they say ever again.

Marijuana also smells even more awful than both cigarettes and alcohol and it tends to turn its users into complete morons.

There's a reason the stoner stereotype exists, unlike some other stereotypes.


Also, story time about marijuana: what pisses me off the most about marijuana is how some people will try to be sneaky about it and offer it to other people. My dad is a school bus driver. One of his coworkers was offered a brownie by a passenger. LUCKILY for him, he had a personal policy not to eat or drink anything while he was driving, because during his layover time he started to feel sick and lightheaded. He wound up having to go to the hospital because of the stupid pot brownie that passenger gave him.

If that man had eaten the brownie before he started driving, there could have been a major vehicular tragedy. A bus is a dangerous thing to lose control of.

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Maybe it's my tolerance but weed doesn't affect my driving. I can't speak for everyone though and it really depends on driving skill + weed.

And I'm not gonna lie, I think most of your views on pot are pretty bullshit if not judgmental opinions. It seems like you're getting your ideas of what marijuana does to a person from pop culture. My experience with marijuana has been nothing but positive. It's helped with my depression and anxiety and just makes me a more tolerable person to be around. While what you're hating is probably higher THC (more "psychedelic") level marijuana but you can't deny medical benefits of Cannabidol (more medical uses) when it's been helping people with severe seizures. http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/07/health/ch ... marijuana/

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 Post subject: Re: Debate & Discussion
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I don't think marijuana should be completely banned, because I know people who use it to deal with chronic pain. This doesn't stop my frustration and anger towards people who are obviously misusing it. I don't like or tolerate drunks--why should I like or tolerate potheads? There HAS to be a level of responsibility in its usage.


And, like I said, some idiot very nearly caused one of my dad's coworkers to get sick while he was driving a BUS FULL OF PEOPLE. And even if, by some stroke of luck, no one was injured in this hypothetical accident, the driver would have definitely lost his job for having pot in his system.

Your experiences with it might have been all positive, but my experience with it has multiple black marks.

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I believe it's not your responsibility to take out any of that frustration and anger when no one is getting hurt. I would 1000% back you up for yelling at that person to give a brownie to the bus driver but it seems like you hold anyone who smokes pot for recreational purposes to the same standards as you would to the brownie guy. Maybe my frustration for this is because when I'm not depressed I still smoke for "non-medical purposes" so by association I'm just as bad as someone trying to hurt someone on purpose. I believe legalizing it for medical and recreational purposes will have more positive benefits than negative. Even if they restrict it to not smoking it in public, it'd still do more good.

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It can't kill you. It is virtually impossible to overdose on marijuana. You'd need so much of the stuff it would cost you like 100k dollars and you'd have to smoke all of that within a small time frame.

"Extrapolation from the animal evidence suggests that the lethal human dose of THC is at least as high as, and probably higher than, that observed in the monkey. If this is so, then the toxic dose of THC in a 65kg adult would be 8.45kg."
http://www.health.gov.au/internet/main/publishing.nsf/Content/health-pubs-drug-cannab2-ch52.htm


Obviously it can give you lung cancer like smoking cigarettes does, but
1) nearly everything has been linked to increasing your cancer risk already and
2) I have yet to see even the biggest potheads smoke joints at even nearly the volume a chain smoker smokes cigarettes.

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Marijuana "kills" you in the same way sleep deprivation kills you. You get high, and do something stupid that kills you. There'd still have to be some regulations saying you when you can, and cant be high.

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 Post subject: Re: Debate & Discussion
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Maruijuana legalization should be treated the same (if not more harshly) than alcohol legalization. Set a minimum age to buy it, card people who do, place a limit on how much can be in your system before doing certain actions such as driving or operating dangerous machinery. And then tax the everloving shit out of it.

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And if anyone tries to tell me that marijuana isn't addictive I will not believe another word they say ever again.


This is exactly my thoughts on it, actually. It's not chemically addictive, but it sure as hell is psychologically addictive, just like anything that makes you feel good. Eventually you start to attach feelings of happiness to marijuana and use it to self medicate for anxiety, etc.
The self medication doesn't go for everyone, but the happiness addiction does.

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Obviously it can give you lung cancer like smoking cigarettes does, but
1) nearly everything has been linked to increasing your cancer risk already and
2) I have yet to see even the biggest potheads smoke joints at even nearly the volume a chain smoker smokes cigarettes.


Putting shit in your lungs that doesn't belong there is what causes cancer. As far as I know, eating it in brownies or whatever wouldn't do jack for cancer rates. It's entirely the smoke.

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Pot doesnt affect me at all for some reason, I dont know if its because of my size, which also lessens the effect of caffeine and alcohol on me.

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Smoking tobacco free is even better. I use pipes and bongs primarily for smoking weed, and try to avoid tobacco as much as possible. It doesn't negate all risk, but it does negate some of the most significant.

As long as marijuana remains illegal and unregulated, it will pose a much higher risk to people than if it were legal. The fact that there are more health benefits (mental and physical) associated with marijuana than with alcohol also leaves me a bit flabbergasted that law surrounding it remains so stagnant in some countries.

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You also need to factor in how some of this illegal marijuana is grown. There are some places that can't grow it outside so they might put as much unnatural stuff that is used in the growth process that smoking it will be harsher on you and your lungs. This is where marijuana can really hurt you but it's because the pesticide/unnatural chemicals in the fertilizer gets into the bud itself.

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