AWKWARD ZOMBIE

Pokemon Organized Play.

Which is the official format.



That's all well and good, but if you're playing by a ruleset, don't play random matchups with people online and bitch when they use Ubers or Double Team. Also, don't complain when someone breaks the rules when you don't establish that you're playing by some set of rules beforehand.

Basically, communicate with the other party to let them know what the rules are. It's something the TCG does very well (are you playing Modified or Unlimited Format?).

First encounter in Dreamyard is Munna! Time to grind to level 16 and get to Pinwheel Forest for a Moon Stone!

The key phrase there was "if you play with them [smogon]"

And the POP is not convenient if you want to have a game in the comfort of your own home.

The closest place I could go to play officially sanctioned pokemon is 60 miles away.

personally i hate smogon for completely different reasons and by that i mean the tier list.
Just because my beloved Altaria is outclassed by this or that doesnt mean i cant play it, but some people are really assholes about it.
I know that most of the time these guys have never visited smogon in the first place, but it just the "rules" still come from there.
But bans like speedboost Blaziken or rules like sleep clause i can fully understand.
In Gen V for example rainteams got a huge list of restrictions because it was so strong that nearly 30% of all teams had a rainsetup.
That even lead to teams that didnt use a rainbringer themself but just expected that the opponent will do it anyway.
It was no fun to play anything else.

Yea people who bitch about you not playing by the smogon rules in random matches are just stupid even though evasion makes the whole match completely luck based and that is no fun if you ask me.

The reverse is also true though. Smogonites enjoy random matchups too, but it's unfair to expect everyone you randomly connect to to know what Smogon is and accept the ruleset you follow. Hell, it's unfair for anyone to impose their rulesets when the opponent doesn't have the chance to agree or disagree with it beforehand, even if it's just "no legendaries" or "no mega evolutions".

Yes, you shouldn't stumble into Smogon's forum and expect to play by POP rules or whatever type of free play you're into. But Smogon often expects the established architecture of the built in online community to follow their rules.

Honestly, the best way to fix this would be to go the MK7 route and allow people to make communities where you can set the rules, but with all of the rules people have, the customization of these kinds of communities would be insane. Down to banning specific abilities, Pokemon, items, etc.

And POP is generally what people play online if they avoid using the banned legendaries, since that's the main stipulation of POP, and most other rules are enforced in-game (like double KO rules). Smogon itself technically largely plays by POP format, it's just got further restrictions within the POP format.

who does

who are these somgonites exactly

who are these imaginary people you are saying do things

I'm not here to discuss people who might do something or might say something, these fake men, "straw men" if you will.

Smogon are are group of people who want to play a game a certain way and people insist on hating them for it.

omfg

Who the hell uses a chesnaught to capture a goomy, Zangoose+False swipe, pleb.

These smogonites were the people I faced when I did POP competitive online (before even VGC was around).

The people who disconnected the instant there was a Pokemon not in their tier.

The people who complained over voice chat (the main reason I no longer use it, though also because I want control over what I'm going to hear and people are assholes in general) about "tier mixing".

The people I still see on occasion bitching about people who "don't appreciate the smogon ruleset" when they enter random match ups and get mad that the other person is using Mewtwo. When they're probably a 10 year old kid that hasn't even heard of smogon. I've seen them on my gamer's club facebook feed, and smogon-related sites with decent sized competitive smogon communities. It occasionally pops up on Smogon, but they're good enough about keeping that shit out.

Smogon is a useful tool even if you don't agree with it (and there are many things I don't agree with Smogon on). The main beef is how overbloated it is how people treat it and how demanding the users and followers CAN be about how to play. Which is the main beef I have with most sides of competitive games.

I never implied all smogonites were assholes that did this (or rather, I didn't mean to if it came across like that, so apologies for that in advance), but when you encounter an asshole that does this, it's deeply irritating in the way that their argument seems to imply that their ruleset is the proper way to play that everyone else should conform to. Same as any other kid getting butthurt that you use Charizard when they hate Charizard. There are also people on Smogon that hate this behavior, but it's hard to stop.

I'm perfectly fine with them existing and doing their own thing, but what gets me is that when you do things like random matches, you're opening up yourself to any type of strategy possible in the game. Including the irritating 6 megastone team to perfectly counter whatever you put up. It's just something you have to deal with if you want to randomly fight people. Getting mad about it doesn't help anything, because you're choosing to fight in a match with someone you can't control or enforce rules on.If you're expecting to play online against people using the same ruleset as you, random matches is not the way to go.

The thing about sleep clause
-Darkrai is BANNED, Ubers only if Smog, or unrated matches if Cart.
-Dark Void is BANNED in VGC doubles last I checked, but that was gen 5, we've yet to see anything about gen 6.
-Spore has terrible distribution, limited to Parasect, Breloom, Amoongus, and Smeargle.
-Sleep Powder has 75% accuracy, and is only made viable with compound eyes from Butterfree and Vivillion. Hypnosis is even worse at 60%. Wide lens could fix the problem marginally but takes up the item slot. It only gets worse for the others.
-Lum berry, Chesto berry, Insomnia, Electric Terrain, Magic Coat, Magic Bounce, Hydration, Leafguard, previous status conditions such as Burn or Poison, Safety Goggles and Grass types (with the exception of vs. Hypnosis) ALL stop it. Sleep Talk and Snore benefit from it.
-Four Moveslot Syndrome.
-Sleep Duration. I cannot count how many one turn sleeps I've seen, essentially as if they were never asleep at all.
-Evasion boosts, banned by Smog, essentially guarantees most of these moves will never hit you.

With all these things combined, only a few viable users of it emerge.
-Dark Void: Smeargle in doubles if it's been made legal. You'll never see it otherwise.
-Sleep Powder: The butterflies who can't survive two hits but have insane accuracy can try to setup, bulky users like Venusaur or Tangrowth who can risk missing once, and Infiltrator Jumpluff who can hit through subs but has little use afterwards besides possibly subseeding. Roserade has it too through breeding, but it can do better without.
-Spore: Parasect is not worth mentioning. Amoongus has been used to spectacular success in doubles. Breloom and Smeargle are the best users in singles. Possibly the only things that make it threatening in the slightest to an intelligent opponent.
-Hypnosis: The only Compound Eyes user is Yanma, and even then only raises it to 78%. Yanmega, Politoed, Gengar, Gardevoir, Bronzong, Ninetales, Crobat, Sigilyph, and Milotic are all viable pokemon without it and most would benefit from other moves more in most cases.
-Lovely facebattle: The sole user is Jynx.
-Grasswhistle: 55% accuracy, most users have access to sleep powder. Utter shit.
-Sing: 55% accuracy, still utter shit.
-Yawn: Completely stoppable, not even worth mentioning. Worse than utter shit.
-Effect Spore/Relic Song: I was considering not mentioning these at all. So I won't

And this is why I feel perfectly justified in using my Sleep Powder Vivillion.

Guys I need pekomen help

I restarted my file and I gave a box of pokemon to my friend for safekeeping. Now I'm trying to get some of my pokemon back and the game isn't letting my friend trade my ditto back to me. It says "there's a pokemon in the trainer's party that can't be traded". Am I not qualified to have a ditto yet, or something? I thought maybe it was because ditto is holding an Old Amber but I was able to trade it TO my friend with no problem, so I'm pretty sure it's actually ditto's fault.

what other Pokemon does he have his his party?

Also, try having him put the Ditto in a PC box and trade it over that way.

It sounds like that there may be a Pokemon that can only be obtained with the national Dex in your friend's party and so it won't let you trade.

I'm pretty sure they are trading from a box; they set an entire box aside for trade fodder when I was getting ready to transfer my pokemon. And it only happened with the ditto; I was able to get my main six from the previous game file along with a Noibat and Trevenant I wanted to use for breeding. It was just the Ditto that couldn't go through.

Edit: The Noibat was holding a Skull Fossil too so that pretty much confirmed for me that the Old Amber wasn't the problem.