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 Post subject: Re: Dark/Demon's Souls
PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 3:46 pm 
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And if he's not?

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 Post subject: Re: Dark/Demon's Souls
PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 3:48 pm 
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If he's not then what the hell is he? Just some random asshole? Fromsoft wouldn't do that. He's the Pygmy, the original owner of the Dark Soul, and the Dark Lord.

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 Post subject: Re: Dark/Demon's Souls
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Who is that.
Are we talking about the DLC? I haven't actually played it.

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 Post subject: Re: Dark/Demon's Souls
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Yeah we're talking about the DLC
and the Pygmy is mentioned in the opening cutscene of the game? It lists all the owners of the Lord Souls and then "The furtive pygmy, so easily forgotten."

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 Post subject: Re: Dark/Demon's Souls
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I know who the pygmy is, I dind't know it had a name.

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 Post subject: Re: Dark/Demon's Souls
PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 4:07 pm 
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Until the DLC came out, it was basically agreed that the Dark Lord ending was totally the best, but the DLC plants the doubt that the Dark Lord ending could potentially be terrible.

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Manus spreads the Abyss. Manus is likely the Dark Lord.
If you choose the Dark Lord end you become the Dark Lord and spread the Abyss.
The Undead are not immune to the Abyss taint because all the people in Oolacile were corrupted (except Dusk) and turned into the Bloated Head hollows.
Both endings are bad ends.



You have no evidence that the Dark Lord is who spreads the abyss by being nature of the Dark Lord. Manus spreads it because he's an insane undead nega-being who lives in it. While there's evidence that could point to him also being the Pygmy, we have no evidence that the Pygmy was an undead. There's an equal chance that Manus is just one of the first "humans" who was born when the Dark Soul split, and thus has a much larger part of it, and thus is far more accustomed to the dark.
The people in Oolacile weren't undead. They were just regular people. I never mentioned undead specifically being immune to the abyss, or even that they were immune. Just that humans seem resistant as compared to beings of light.
Oolacile is a particular case also, because they purposefully went and dug Manus up. It could be that Manus is just fucking rustled off and spreading the Abyss at a much faster rate, creating the humanity sprites and the bloated head hollows because nobody has the chance to adapt to the dark.
When you give everything a cursory glance, it seems like the dark is a completely evil thing, but if you really look into it, there's a lot of ambiguity. They did the same kind of thing with Solaire. They set him up to look like the Firstborn, but if you end up killing him, his armor very clearly states that he basically made it all himself and it contains no power at all, and that Solaire was just basically the best on his own merit.

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 Post subject: Re: Dark/Demon's Souls
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Kaathe tells you if you get him to spawn that you're the descendant of the Furtive Pygmy. The pygmy is the one who held the Dark Soul, which is where humanity first came from.

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 Post subject: Re: Dark/Demon's Souls
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You're A descendant. General consensus is that when the Pygmy broke apart the Dark Soul and created humanity, he became the father of all humans.
There's also the theory that the Darksign is a natural course of Humanity, and thus the Pygmy is the father of all undead, and that's what Kaathe means.

they're both basically just saying the same thing though

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 Post subject: Re: Dark/Demon's Souls
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both the kaathe and frampt are in it for themselves too basically. you dont really know there motives or wtf they want. they just say what they wanna say and theres nothing really backing them up

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 Post subject: Re: Dark/Demon's Souls
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The best ending is the one where you use the pendent.


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 Post subject: Re: Dark/Demon's Souls
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both the kaathe and frampt are in it for themselves too basically. you dont really know there motives or wtf they want. they just say what they wanna say and theres nothing really backing them up


my general theory is that they're both "primordial serpents" so they've more than likely been around much longer than even the dragons
there's a decent chance, i think, that they are supposed to serve whoever is the current highest power.
frampt realized how he could use the age of fire to keep his power, and is trying to extend it, because he thinks more manageable power is better
kaathe however is more on the chaotic side, and wants to end the age of fire and keep the cycle going, to the point of trying to force the dark in through more horrible means
they both lie flat out to you about exactly what they're up to, but in general i think they don't lie to you about what they want you to do and the general consequences

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 Post subject: Re: Dark/Demon's Souls
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I beat the Bed of Chaos today.
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 Post subject: Re: Dark/Demon's Souls
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Finished my GiantDad build the other day. Some guy who summoned me randomly gave me Zweihander +15, a Grass Crest Shield +15, 99 Divine Blessings, and 99 Soul of a Great Hero. So that made the process easier.

Been doing PvP in the Kiln.

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 Post subject: Re: Dark/Demon's Souls
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yeah i got summoned into this guy's world to help him fight NG+ quelagg
got to the boss fog
he dropped 40 humanity, gave me a little bow, and then we murdered a boss


the immediate next person seemed to think i was a red phantom, as he tried to attack me for a solid four minutes and then banished me



two kinds of people

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 Post subject: Re: Dark/Demon's Souls
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Got to Darkroot Garden/Basin, I've gotten the elite knight set, grass crest shield, and the shield the giants drop, so I'm farming the giants and the trees for souls to upgrade my gear.

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