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PostPosted: Mon Mar 04, 2013 7:50 pm 
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Why in the name of Sweet Georgia Brown can't they just walk over to wherever the writers work and pool them together for an idea jam? I mean, at least Dreamworks took a break from Ice Age films and came up with The Croods. I myself don't find it appealing, but at least it's something new rather than the sequel to a CGI film based off of a children's book. I thought the first movie was pretty good, but I just don't understand what would make a sequel to such a movie so desirable.

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 Post subject: Re: Movies
PostPosted: Mon Mar 04, 2013 7:59 pm 
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Because its almost a guaranteed payday, like every other sequel. Yeah, it probably wont break the box office, but its almost guaranteed to make a profit, thats how its almost always been.

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 Post subject: Re: Movies
PostPosted: Mon Mar 04, 2013 8:34 pm 
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The writers are paid to write whatever the execs or random influential people want. Name the last major non-book movie that came out where the majority of the creative input and credit went to a writer.

Hell name a comic where the writer is credited more than the artist. Or a TV show. Writers don't get much recognition outside of books. It's the visual people who get all the love.

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 Post subject: Re: Movies
PostPosted: Mon Mar 04, 2013 8:41 pm 
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Actually, in comics, writers get a lot more recognition than artists these days. Yeah, there's high profile artists too, but you'll notice they'll flaunt Morrison or Gail Simone more than Kevin O Neil or Simon Bisley

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So it took me forever to see Seven Psychopaths but I finally did it

I feel complete now

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 Post subject: Re: Movies
PostPosted: Mon Mar 04, 2013 8:49 pm 
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Madican wrote:
The writers are paid to write whatever the execs or random influential people want. Name the last major non-book movie that came out where the majority of the creative input and credit went to a writer.

Hell name a comic where the writer is credited more than the artist. Or a TV show. Writers don't get much recognition outside of books. It's the visual people who get all the love.

Anything written by Neil Gaiman, Alan Moore, Garth Ennis, Grant Morrison, Stan Lee...


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Gaiman and Moore are good examples, but they seem more exceptions to the rule than disproving it. Never heard of Garth or Morrison. Don't even get me started on Stan Lee, I really don't like the guy considering what he did to co-creators.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 04, 2013 9:00 pm 
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Madican wrote:
Never heard of Garth or Morrison.

No offence, but then you know very little about comics.


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Probably. Most of what I know about comics is from the early part of this decade and some of the 90's. I haven't paid them much attention since I realized comics as a whole had some very unforgiving flaws that impacted my enjoyment of them, one of them being the lack of canon coupled with abundant retcons.

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 Post subject: Re: Movies
PostPosted: Mon Mar 04, 2013 9:12 pm 
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Well then in all honesty, you cant really weigh in on how modern comics work. Morrison and Garth are among the most famous comic writers in the business

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 Post subject: Re: Movies
PostPosted: Mon Mar 04, 2013 9:15 pm 
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Why in the name of Sweet Georgia Brown can't they just walk over to wherever the writers work and pool them together for an idea jam? I mean, at least Dreamworks took a break from Ice Age films and came up with The Croods. I myself don't find it appealing, but at least it's something new rather than the sequel to a CGI film based off of a children's book. I thought the first movie was pretty good, but I just don't understand what would make a sequel to such a movie so desirable.


(Ice age was by Blue Sky Animation not dreamworks)

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 Post subject: Re: Movies
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Well then in all honesty, you cant really weigh in on how modern comics work. Morrison and Garth are among the most famous comic writers in the business


Maybe so, but that's ignoring my point. Which is what writers are rarely recognized outside of the novel medium. Your examples seem more exceptions to the rule rather than outright disproving it.

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 Post subject: Re: Movies
PostPosted: Mon Mar 04, 2013 9:31 pm 
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My point was that in comics it really is the other way around. I can name more writers than I can name artists, and the artists I do know are also writers, like Mignola and Miller. I don't think there are any comic fans that follow artists instead of writers (although most probably follow characters).


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 Post subject: Re: Movies
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Madican wrote:
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Well then in all honesty, you cant really weigh in on how modern comics work. Morrison and Garth are among the most famous comic writers in the business


Maybe so, but that's ignoring my point. Which is what writers are rarely recognized outside of the novel medium. Your examples seem more exceptions to the rule rather than outright disproving it.

Actually, like Syobon said, more comic fans will be able to list writers than artists, because in modern day, its the writer who gets the main credit, not the artist.

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 Post subject: Re: Movies
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That's good then, though I'm generally of the mind for artists and writers to split credit equally for the most part.

Now if that could happen for movies and television it would be perfect. Closest I can recall is when the Writer's Strike happened some years back and completely deadlocked their shows.

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