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 Post subject: Re: The Legend of Korra, because it deserves its own thread
PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 1:29 pm 
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I think it would be silly that Amon somehow erased their memories of how to bend. You don't forget how pedals work when someone steals your bike.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 2:19 pm 
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Well his blood-bending powers could have disabled the chakras or something and they could maybe go through the motions of-
You know what screw it I'm just not watching Season 2. They proved that the only thing that they could do with Korra was give it a cop-out season ending that fixed pretty much everything, much like every other children's action cartoon available. They could have tried something ballsy, but they didn't.

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 Post subject: Re: The Legend of Korra, because it deserves its own thread
PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 3:48 pm 
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You mean kinda how the ending to TLA was exactly that, because, you know, a satisfying conclusion to a series is usually a good thing?

You know

what they thought they were basically doing

concluding the series.

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 Post subject: Re: The Legend of Korra, because it deserves its own thread
PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 4:57 pm 
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Funny people dismissing a show and all future episodes based on an unsatisfying ending to the first Book.

"FUCK THIS I KNOW IT CAN NEVER REDEEM ITSELF"

That being said I didn't think Korra was all that bad.
There were many flaws yeah, but...yeah it isn't as horrible as people make it out to seem

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I think it would be silly that Amon somehow erased their memories of how to bend. You don't forget how pedals work when someone steals your bike.

Amon didn't fiddle with their memories. He removed their physical ability to bend. Thats like cutting off someone's fucking legs and them not being able to ride a bike.

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The thing that bothers me the most about the cop-out ending is that they actually thought that they wouldn't get another season. Did they honestly not remember how well AtLA did?

Yeah well they didn't know they'd ger more, so they tried to wrap everything so people didn't bitch about loose plot threads.

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 Post subject: Re: The Legend of Korra, because it deserves its own thread
PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 5:08 pm 
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Did they honestly not look at the Internet and the massive amount of fans that the first series had and then say to themselves "Man, guys, I don't think this series is going to survive past twelve episodes"?

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Did they honestly not look at the Internet and the massive amount of fans that the first series had and then say to themselves "Man, guys, I don't think this series is going to survive past twelve episodes"?


the same thing basically happened with megaman legends 3 so

yeah, they did

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 Post subject: Re: The Legend of Korra, because it deserves its own thread
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The point is that they weren't under contract to continue after those few episodes. So it would have been stupid to try to establish a several season story. And even if they did the network was probably pressuring them to make a contained story.

I agree that Korra was a let down, and there was a ton of wasted potential, but now that they have the freedom to work with several seasons in advance, I have hope for the next few books.

I just hope they hire a writing team.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 8:31 pm 
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Question: Did they ever actually SAY it was energy bending? I don't remember that. I just thought it was bloodbending in the opposite way Amon did? I always thought he bloodbent the brain in such a way that it cut off blood or "control" of the part of the brain that controlled bending.

Even if it WAS energy bending, if Aang was the first avatar to learn it (do they ever say a past one knew it?) wouldn't it be possible for him to teach it to the future avatars once they reach the Avatar State?

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 Post subject: Re: The Legend of Korra, because it deserves its own thread
PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 10:18 pm 
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I think it might be a lesser version of energybending just because it'd be easier to restore "blocked" bending ability than take away bending permanently.

Here's how I feel about season 1 as a whole: It had a lot of potential that got kinda squashed in the last few episodes, but it did have a lot of great things going for it. Tarrlok's storyline, Tenzin's attempts to teach Korra airbending, the main characters' interactions before all the weird love triangle stuff happened, there was good stuff there. I think the writers can make up for the finale IF they acknowledge that everything that happened was really rushed, and they show that within the story. Have the Korra/Mako face the consequences of suddenly getting into a serious relationship with no forethought. Show the political aftermath of a city that's still divided. Have Korra try to figure out how she was able to airbend/spiritbend despite seemingly not having learned anything, maybe even have her not being able to replicate her results without a good amount of effort. Personally, I'd appreciate a few flashbacks or two to make up for the time that could've been spent on showing what was going on with Korra psychologically.

Honestly, in AtLA, the first season wasn't a huge hit either compared to the other seasons. It at least had a strong finale, and the filler episodes could be seen as character development, but it also had its own flaws that were definitely made up for later.

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 Post subject: Re: The Legend of Korra, because it deserves its own thread
PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 10:58 pm 
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Did they honestly not look at the Internet and the massive amount of fans that the first series had and then say to themselves "Man, guys, I don't think this series is going to survive past twelve episodes"?

Were you not on the internet before Korra came out?

There was a huge amount of backlash over the series when it was announced, everything from "Why didn't we get an Air book to wrap up things, including Zuko's mother and what happened to Azula?" to "But this means Aang is going to be dead. That's stupid. Why would they do this? Now they're going to have to asspull a conflict just to show how Korra can save the world".

There were people hoping it would fail just to teach the creators that they needed to go back to telling Aang's story, and not some hyped up "tough female" reincarnation.

It wasn't until Korra materialized and got some clips out that fan hype really began to take off, and with the series getting the first two episodes leaked early for the facebook page liking, Korra ended up having a second season announced BECAUSE of this spring's hype. The two years before it? Especially with the delay from fall to spring? Hell no, hype was meager at best.

Also, even whether they thought it was going to be popular, maybe one season is all they wanted to do with Korra? Maybe they only had this story in mind and didn't think they wanted to just have to come up with more plotlines to justify more seasons? Hell, maybe they only agreed to the second season once they brainstormed and agreed that her story could/would go futher after beating Amon.

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Honestly, in AtLA, the first season wasn't a huge hit either compared to the other seasons. It at least had a strong finale, and the filler episodes could be seen as character development, but it also had its own flaws that were definitely made up for later.


Personally, I think Korra suffered from a lack of breathing filler. 8 more episodes (or hell, even 4) would have helped it become much more fleshed out and kept it from being "probending-romance-fighting-romance-more fighting-romance" all wrapped up in a mess. They could have done things with the city, had an episode with Tenzin showing Korra that things in Republic City weren't the same as they were in the Southern Water Tribe (or especially her sheltered life), or generally just built the world and the audience's connection to the characters without there being anything at stake in the plot.

But personally, I disagree about the ending to the first season of TLA. I think it ended the same as Book 3, with the conflict (in this case, the Fire Nation invasion talked about during the latter part of the season as a big thing) resolved by a third party (the Ocean Spirit) lending their power to Aang to directly resolve the conflict. At least with Korra, everything was known and plausible in the end. There wasn't a airbending spirit that magically came to Korra and taught her its secrets, and she didn't fuse with a never-before-seen being that made her level Amon's threat in a matter of moments. I'll admit it was "impressive" on a first viewing, but ultimately, the finale barely focused on the looming threat of the fire nation fleet and instead spent time focusing on Zuko's kidnapping of Aang, Zhao's killing the moon, and finally Aang destroying the fleet in rage to save the day.

All in all, Korra was decent and will be a great jumping off point for season 2. Remember, it wasn't until season 2 of TLA where they began focusing on Aang's problem with the Avatar State (after he abused it so much in Season 1), including his fear of it and his lack of control. I'm sure some of the issues with Korra's first season will be addressed in season 2.

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 Post subject: Re: The Legend of Korra, because it deserves its own thread
PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 11:33 pm 
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All in all, Korra was decent and will be a great jumping off point for season 2. Remember, it wasn't until season 2 of TLA where they began focusing on Aang's problem with the Avatar State (after he abused it so much in Season 1), including his fear of it and his lack of control. I'm sure some of the issues with Korra's first season will be addressed in season 2.


I really do hope that Mike, Bryan and the actual writing team they're getting (I think they're getting a team of writers, I read it somewhere a while back) will actually look at people's complaints about the first season and do something about it. I especially hope that they will focus on making Bolin not useless and having Korra go through more character development than "OH NOES MY HUSBANDO IS IN DANGER TIME TO AIR BEND".

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 Post subject: Re: The Legend of Korra, because it deserves its own thread
PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 1:43 am 
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How about, "My friend and fellow human being is about to be hurt, time to act."

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 1:50 am 
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I really don't think that'd be for the best. Yes, some fan complaints are valid and hopefully they're smart enough to do something about it, but the instant you open yourself to the opinions of the fans to influence your work, it can get very messy very fast, in both the "you can't please everyone" and "certain fans are more important than others". I've been in fandoms with communication between the writers and the fans, and even the ones where the writers themselves were decent people (which was not all of them, especially not Bionicle) that didn't have a chip on their shoulder or thought they could keep fans by canonizing fan theories, most went pretty sour when fans started making the writers doubt and change things that were established and even foreshadowed to.

Plus, keep in mind, the extra focus on shipping in Korra was likely based on how much the fans liked it in TLA. Do you really want more of that?

Mike and Bryan have shown themselves capable of doing good writing. There are a lot of amazing things they've put into these series with an attention to detail that most people would just overlook and paint over. I'm confident, being on the other side of season 1, rather than working on it, they'll know what the problems are. While getting a few extra writers to bounce things off and maybe rein in the things that aren't important would be good, opening the floodgates for fans is a pretty awful idea.

Also, keep in mind, Mako was the start of everything she could lose from Amon. What if she lost Tenzin, or other benders? What if this led to a Roku-level failure that spread out or Republic City? She couldn't do anything about any of that, even though she's the Avatar. She has to live in the shadow of every Avatar before her. And unlike them, she doesn't have the benefit of even being connected to them.

I'd say that's more than "my smooch buddy".

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 Post subject: Re: The Legend of Korra, because it deserves its own thread
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Really? With how much they shoved Mako and Korra being together in people's faces, I'm pretty sure that it was THE POWER OF LOVE.

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 Post subject: Re: The Legend of Korra, because it deserves its own thread
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Yes, love. How does that negate her heroic nature? Mako got knocked around a lot without Korra Airbending. Being Bloodbent was clearly the catalyst.

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