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 Post subject: Re: The Legend of Korra, because it deserves its own thread
PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 12:41 am 
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Man I hear all these Lieutenant theories and it makes me feel dumb because I thought Amon killed him in that one scene. Has that been explained?


I don't think the Lieutenant died. At least I hope not! He was my favorite minor character. But they haven't said explicitly one way or the other, no.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 1:02 am 
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He got tossed into wood. Who dies when tossed into wood, honestly? Metal pipes, maybe.


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 Post subject: Re: The Legend of Korra, because it deserves its own thread
PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 1:05 am 
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Agreement on the whole "Mako doesn't know what his feelings are" bit. Honestly, thinking back, it makes a lot of sense given that the only reason Mako accepted her invitation to the date was that she looked pretty (isn't lasting relationship criteria mind you), and the only reason he had to stay was that she supported him with her shittons of daddy cheddar. Meanwhile, most of the time spent with korra had to do with idle conversations and obvious natural chemistry (that took a while to develop, but ended up being there by the end of the season). Note: When the two of them were doing recon. My big beef with Mako was that he was confused about his feelings, and instead of either explaining it to Asami, or even explaining that he needs time to think, he lets it stagnate like the last slice of pizza no one wants to eat and be "that guy". The whole drama feels like it could've been avoided if Mako sat down with Asami and in the very least told her that he's a little confused on shit that's going down. Instead he got pissy and irritated arguments. And then he didn't even officially break up with her. As an audience member, are they still "dating, but it's complicated" or was there some off screen "we should just stay friends" action?

And then yes, it is partially because of Borra not happening, but I'm more peeved at Korra for that. The two obviously had chemistry, even on their fake "to get at Mako for dating Asami" date, yet she still swoons over Mako like a horny little chipmunk. That shit's just bananas.

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 Post subject: Re: The Legend of Korra, because it deserves its own thread
PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 1:13 am 
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Yeah, he could totally have handled it better and I'm not saying that like, Asami had no reason to feel hurt by him at all or anything. She absolutely did. (Also I genuinely think Korra wasn't doing it to get back at Mako, she really did have fun on her date with Bolin, but the romance-feelings just weren't there for her I guess. I'm really glad she and Bolin are still close though.)

I just think it's weird that so many fans are like, making "Scumbag Mako" meme images and junk? He's really not a scumbag or anything. He's just a teenage boy who's bad at how does relationships and emotions and I'm pretty sure that's criteria for being a human at that age rather than a solid resume when applying for the position of hardcore playa'. "Hey yeah what'd you do? I slept with like 50 chicks and ditched 'em at the bar." "Well, I was confused about my feelings for two girls I genuinely care about and flipflopped about which one I wanted to date. One of the girls ended up really hurt because of it." "Uh... huh."

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 Post subject: Re: The Legend of Korra, because it deserves its own thread
PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 1:30 am 
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I have this weird feeling in my gut that all the Mako hate is due to Bolin/Korra not being a thing.

So I'm not the only one?

And I'm still surprised that people still think Korra maliciously used Bolin to get back at Mako. She was hurt by Mako spurning her confession. She needed a friend. Bolin took her out on what she thought of more as a couple of friends hanging out. He took it as a date and got his feelings hurt. Neither of them were wrong. It was just miscommunication.

Really, I feel bad for Mako. He had feelings for Korra but didn't want to make things weird by starting anything, and neither did she. Because neither of them took action, someone else came into the picture who obviously did have feelings for Mako, and that started a relationship. Mako was pop flyin' with Asami, especially since he didn't fully come to terms with his feelings for Korra at the time, and seemed to feel like they were just friends. Then, Korra, feeling threatened by Asami (not like "bitch took my man" but more like "I'm losing my chance to tell him how I feel") blindsided him with a confession. He still didn't know if he had feelings for Korra but did know he had feelings for Asami and couldn't just go "derp derp, breaking up so I can be with the avatar". Eventually he realized he had feelings for both and had to decide which one was more important to him, which is a really fucking difficult decision to make if this were a real life situation (we have the benefit of being outside observers, but what would happen if you had to choose between two people you love?).

Ultimately, it seems he chose Korra, and that's his decision to make. He shouldn't have to stay with Asami out of some ludicrous obligation to her, no more than he was obligated to do what fans wanted in Episode 5 and dump Asami "the evil bitch" for Korra. If this was a real thing, it wouldn't be fair to him or Asami for him to "settle" for her just because it didn't hurt her feelings in the short term.

I'm just really shocked that people went from bitching that Makorra was being ruined by Asami to "Fucking Mako, what gives him the right to choose who he loves more."

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The particular boy Korra is currently with isn't that important. There are years for these relationships to fall apart/evolve. I'd rather see what the lasting relationships were like. Who is Lin's dad? Tell me there wasn't some meetcute story involving Toph.
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She probably met some deaf guy who she's sure was cute and the two of them had pop flyin', miscommunication driven misadventures together.

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My problem with Mako is that his feelings for Korra come out of no where and the show ended without him dealing with the repercussions of his choices.

It's like they are telling the audience it's okay to cheat on your girlfriend and hurt your brother's feelings.
Alright, so maybe a kid's show doesn't always have to be morally correct. But the way they dealt with the relationship caused Mako to seem bipolar and Asami and Bolin became flat.

A lot of themes and plot threads were left hanging because of this OTP.

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 Post subject: Re: The Legend of Korra, because it deserves its own thread
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My problem with Mako is that his feelings for Korra come out of no where and the show ended without him dealing with the repercussions of his choices.

It's like they are telling the audience it's okay to cheat on your girlfriend and hurt your brother's feelings.
Alright, so maybe a kid's show doesn't always have to be morally correct. But the way they dealt with the relationship caused Mako to seem bipolar and Asami and Bolin became flat.

A lot of themes and plot threads were left hanging because of this OTP.


Mako never cheated on Asami. His brother got over it.

He did deal with the consequences, that being his relationship with Asami turned to shit because she couldn't really trust him.

Mako's feelings for Korra don't really come out of nowhere, they're a natural progression. It dosen't happen at once, it happens over time. Bolin was sudden, in every sense of the word, Mako not so much.

Also, if you were in a situation where you essentially had to choose who's heart you're going to break into tiny pieces, you'd be a bit stressed too. Especially if you're not sure about either.

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 Post subject: Re: The Legend of Korra, because it deserves its own thread
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Am I to assume that all the stuff that justifies how the characters behave happens between the scenes? Last thing I remember Mako saying to Asami was that he cares about her and that they'll talk later. I don't remember him sitting down with her and saying that 'it's over, I'm in love with another girl'. Also, if he wasn't cheating on Asami then his broken relationship with her is hardly a consequence.
Mako wasn't that stressed, Asami was giving him a hard time, but he didn't have any problems making a move by the end of the show.

The progression of Korra and Mako's relationship was sudden, there wasn't really that much of a chance for quiet time to show that they had stuff in common, or even having much of a conversation until he's macking on her after she escapes from Tarrlok.

In regards to Bolin 'got over it': THAT is what makes him feel flat. That his feelings stop mattering once the episode is over. It's just completely unbalanced character development.

I found their relationship was badly paced, and left the other characters feeling like set pieces.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 11:16 am 
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She probably met some deaf guy who she's sure was cute and the two of them had pop flyin', miscommunication driven misadventures together.

I thought it was already decided that she Earthbent Lin into existence.

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 Post subject: Re: The Legend of Korra, because it deserves its own thread
PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 11:40 am 
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Also I'm pretty sure that Toph and Sokka got together.

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 Post subject: Re: The Legend of Korra, because it deserves its own thread
PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 11:42 am 
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I thought Sokka was together with Suki?

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Not sure since she didn't show up in the flashback.

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 Post subject: Re: The Legend of Korra, because it deserves its own thread
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Maybe because she wasn't relevant to the court system. Katara and Zuko didn't show much, doesn't mean they're irrelevant in other aspects of those characters' lives

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