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PostPosted: Sat Oct 01, 2011 4:05 am 
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Just got done watching "The 3 Doctors" with the first 3 doctors obviously. It was wonderful. A shame William Hartnell didn't appear more prominently due to health reasons. And he died before "The 5 Doctors" :c

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I am excite for the season finale.

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Just got done watching "The 3 Doctors" with the first 3 doctors obviously. It was wonderful. A shame William Hartnell didn't appear more prominently due to health reasons. And he died before "The 5 Doctors" :c


According to some reviews for the finale, there appears to be set-up for a potential "The 7 Doctors" special for the future.

Also, there's a tribute to Nicholas Courtney, The Brigadier, in the finale which I'm very pop flyin' to have.


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 Post subject: Re: Doctor Who
PostPosted: Sat Oct 01, 2011 3:59 pm 
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Also, there's a tribute to Nicholas Courtney, The Brigadier, in the finale which I'm very pop flyin' to have.

Yeah, I heard. :O

Supposedly the Brig died in a nursing home. Kinda would have liked to see him in DW again, but at least he was in SJA.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 01, 2011 4:24 pm 
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Yeah, I knew what the tribute was going to be about and after watching the episode, it was touching but I had hoped The Doctor might comment about it.

Also. Spoilers ahead, so yeah... here are my problems with the finale:



I didn't like it. I couldn't enjoy it. I had to grit my teeth at times because of the inconsistent logic being put forth.

For one thing, the swap out of the Tesselecta instead of The Doctor being shot by River in the suit? That felt like a slap across to the face and not in a "ha! Fooled you, buddy!" way. It was more in the "Fuck you, here's an answer, suck it up and accept it." way. Why? Because the Tesselecta while it's able to reproduce physical objects to resemble itself as, it can't produce the same energy feedback a Time Lord's regeneration can. So how in the Hell could it mimic what the regeneration is after being shot to fool people?

Secondly, again, the Tesselecta with The Doctor inside of it to make River touch him and change history and show he won't die? I call bullshit. Why? It's the Tesselecta touching her physically! Not The Doctor! The Doctor was the fixed point in time, not something that looks like him! It doesn't make any sense whatsoever. And then somehow we see the flashback to The Doctor getting the Tesselecta's help and somehow they carry over to the aborted universe too? It's so... illogical that it makes me hate myself for trying to figure it out.

Thirdly, so... if you die in the aborted universe, you die in the real universe? That makes no sense whatsoever either. The aborted universe was only there until either The Doctor and River Song touched to cause time to move forward or until The Doctor died there causing everything to continue to collapse. But since The Doctor and River touched, time moved forward in the actual universe and things happened in progression. So tell me, how did Madame Kovarian die? The aborted universe never happened. And Winston Churchill wasn't present the day The Doctor died, but he got tossed back to his own time period how did Kovarian not go back to the moment of where she was when The Doctor was dying? We just accept the aborted universe that never happened was the end of Kovarian's timeline? But it never happened. Meaning she should still exist in the actual timeline wherever she was at the time.

And finally, the ending. I can understand the "I need to make myself disappear into the shadows. Work in secret so I can take down the Academy of the Question" thing. But... the second he does ANYTHING to ANYONE... isn't it going to immediately show up in a database of the universe somewhere and The Silence suddenly realize "Oh. The Doctor wasn't in hiding. There he is there." and then go back to that time and kill him/follow him to his next adventure? That was the whole point of River! The Silence jumping through time to locate anyone close to The Doctor from databases and foreknowledge to get him.

I do enjoy picking out the inconsistencies and flaws of Doctor Who episodes. Because it makes me mad when someone doesn't pay enough attention while writing it to at least cover their bases first. It's a show that many many people adore. And it just feels like Moffat half-assed this Finale to avoid any kind of real work to put in to address things he caused. It felt like he has no actual plan for this story so he's just making it up as he goes in hopes it resolves itself or he can pass the flaws to the next Head Writer so they can deal with them.

The episode at the start to about halfway as fun and I enjoyed the ride of not knowing how things would get resolved. But after watching the last quarter of the episode... it really dragged on and made me shake my head in disappointment.

If I had to rate this episode, it would only be around a 6.5-7/10. Too many flaws, not enough answers for a story that should have wrapped up here. Moffat really disappointed me and I was hoping he'd have blown me away and stuck a finger to me saying "You're wrong." And he most certainly did not.


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 Post subject: Re: Doctor Who
PostPosted: Sat Oct 01, 2011 9:03 pm 
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...Well I quite liked it.

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 Post subject: Re: Doctor Who
PostPosted: Sat Oct 01, 2011 9:11 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Doctor Who
PostPosted: Sat Oct 01, 2011 9:14 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Doctor Who
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...Well I quite liked it.


Meh. It thoroughly disappointed me. I enjoyed the thrill and ride for the first half, but when the explanations started rolling out it was just like... "You're kidding me? You're not even going to try and be tricky and intricate about the 'get out of jail card'? You're just gonna take the lazy route and use that blatant out?"

I just had higher hopes. Maybe next Series I should just go into every episode with lower expectations and maybe I can start enjoying the show again. Series 5 had me in love with the show again, but this Series has just... underwhelming depressed me.

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You'd be surprised at how many fans love this show and actually expect some kind of logical complexity to it. This episode just fell flat in my own opinion. I'm allowed to air my points as to why I think that. You don't have to read what I typed.

I'm not saying people are wrong for saying they liked it either. I just felt personally disappointed at the "out" they used.


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 Post subject: Re: Doctor Who
PostPosted: Sat Oct 01, 2011 9:18 pm 
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About Madame Kovarian She isn't dead. River tells Amy that it happened in a universe that no longer exists, therefore it never happened. Amy is unhappy because she says she still remembers it, so it still affects her.

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 Post subject: Re: Doctor Who
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcUkKltAidM#t=1m09s

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I was going to make that reference, you beat me to it.

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 Post subject: Re: Doctor Who
PostPosted: Sat Oct 01, 2011 10:02 pm 
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About Madame Kovarian She isn't dead. River tells Amy that it happened in a universe that no longer exists, therefore it never happened. Amy is unhappy because she says she still remembers it, so it still affects her.


Yeah I know Kovarian isn't dead. But it just... didn't seem all that important to sidetrack and create an alternate universe just to make Amy feel bad that she had a momentary turn to the dark side. The only constructive points to come out of the aborted universe was River being forgiven and an unofficial Wedding. Everything else didn't happen. There was no real point to it having taken up so much of the episode's run time. We could have easily blown past that as Act II and had the last 15-20 minutes be about The Doctor escaping his death with trickery like when he outwitted River in Let's Kill Hitler with the whole gun swapping exchange. Instead we got a lazy and the most obvious "out".

The whole aborted universe majority of the episode seemed like a waste of space of run time when we could have had more scenes of The Doctor doing what we know he does best. Getting out of situations with extreme intelligence. But instead we got 45 minutes of build up to the last 5 minutes of the episode for a very overused and bad title-of-the-show pun. We got two years of build-up for a "Doctor who?" pun. Let that sink in for a few seconds.


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Ok, yeah. I laughed. Hahah.


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 Post subject: Re: Doctor Who
PostPosted: Sun Oct 02, 2011 2:22 pm 
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I'm pretty well inclined to agree with TLK, it did feel like a cop-out.

But, I'm putting the alternate earth top of my list of places to vacation. So much to do, so little t-
wait, scratch that last bit.

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 Post subject: Re: Doctor Who
PostPosted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 5:13 pm 
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The Sarah Jane Adventures.


Crazy Electric Bitch not as good as Crazy Soda Bitch.


Also the whole series is comically cheap compared to DW.

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