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PostPosted: Fri Mar 22, 2013 12:42 am 
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not a single issue of the sonic comic is good

I'd have to disagree.

Sure there are the occasional badly-plotted/overly sentimental story arcs, but for the most part I like the artwork and the original character designs the Archie Sonic the Hedgehog team come up with.

There are also some interesting character dynamics and character developments every so often - more so in the 'Sonic Universe' run than in the main 'Sonic the Hedgehog' series.

Archie's Mega Man efforts have been very lacklustre to date though - that's mostly the root of my apprehension regarding the forthcoming crossover.

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 Post subject: Re: Western Cartoons/Comics
PostPosted: Fri Mar 22, 2013 1:33 am 
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Sure there are the occasional badly-plotted/overly sentimental story arcs, but for the most part I like the artwork and the original character designs the Archie Sonic the Hedgehog team come up with.

There are also some interesting character dynamics and character developments every so often - more so in the 'Sonic Universe' run than in the main 'Sonic the Hedgehog' series.


the comic is less about "oh hey sonic adventures" and more "who is gonna fuck who???" and that is not at all a good way to make a comic based off of a fucking cartoon hedgehog

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 22, 2013 2:07 am 
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That view is kind of outdated, well it's very outdated.

In recent years it's been more about the personal hardships and development of individual characters.

Examples/spoilers:

For the past two years or more (relative time), Silver the Hedgehog has been trying to figure out who betrayed Sonic and the Freedom Fighters - this being the key event which led to the post-apocalyptic future Silver originates from. We - the reader - are only just on the cusp of finding this out - Silver intending to prevent it from happening (temporal causality, anyone?).

Mighty the Armadillo was recently reunited with his long-lost sister, Matilda (or 'Tilly') the Armadillo - who has chosen to live with a faction of Mobians who choose to have their bodies modified so that they can better serve Eggman - of their own free will; Also, Tilly outright rejected Mighty - because she had no memory of him, i.e: "I'm sorry, I have no memory of you, you mean nothing to me." (complicated family issues, anyone?).

Bunnie Rabbot - recently de-robotised, frustrated by her inability to help out the freedom fighters or protect her partner, Antoine D'Coolette, from being critically injured in a confrontation with Metal Sonic, has herself decided to seek the aforementioned Mobians who modify their own bodies to incorporate technology - so she's giving up her only recently-restored perfectly healthy organic body so she can help her friends take on Eggman and protect the ones she cares about (self sacrifice, anyone?).

Shard - The original Metal Sonic - only too self-aware of how much everyone despises/distrusts him for his past efforts to dispose of Sonic, Tails et all - is trying to figure out how to be a contributing member of society - to try and find his place in a world that has no love for robots - to be a figurehead/advocate for other robots and artificial intelligences - to improve the perception of those kinds of beings among the organic majority (turning your life around/overcoming adversity, anyone?)


So yeah, it's only about who's fucking who.

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 Post subject: Re: Western Cartoons/Comics
PostPosted: Fri Mar 22, 2013 2:43 am 
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i read a solid 300+ something comics, from the very beginning, to the very end somewhere in 2010, and that's what i came away with, yeah

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 Post subject: Re: Western Cartoons/Comics
PostPosted: Fri Mar 22, 2013 2:54 am 
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Galaxy Man wrote:
i read a solid 300+ something comics, from the very beginning, to the very end somewhere in 2010, and that's what i came away with, yeah

So you freely admit that you're three years out of date?

Okay then.


Also, that would have been around the point 'Sonic the Hedgehog' hit issue #200 - not "#300+" - it's now at issue #246 and 'Sonic Universe' just hit issue #50

So that would mean you're about a hundred issues out of date.

Okay then.


Stick to your guns though, bro; If you keep saying something enough times it'll become the truth eventually, right?

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 Post subject: Re: Western Cartoons/Comics
PostPosted: Fri Mar 22, 2013 3:00 am 
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I'd say that if a series has not caught my interest after 200 issues it's very unlikely I will continue reading it. In fact that would probably occur about 170 issues earlier.


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So are you implying that Galaxy was into all the character-shipping Archie was doing in the 'Sonic the Hedgehog' comics to have stuck with it for 200 issues? That's sick, man - and slanderous!


Joking aside; I'm just saying that his facts are out of date.

I only started getting 'Sonic the Hedgehog' regularly at about #150 - and I'll admit that it was too into the 'shipping' and sentimental love stories at that time - but it has changed and matured since then. A lot.

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 Post subject: Re: Western Cartoons/Comics
PostPosted: Fri Mar 22, 2013 3:49 am 
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Galaxy Man wrote:
i read a solid 300+ something comics, from the very beginning, to the very end somewhere in 2010, and that's what i came away with, yeah

So you freely admit that you're three years out of date?

Okay then.


Also, that would have been around the point 'Sonic the Hedgehog' hit issue #200 - not "#300+" - it's now at issue #246 and 'Sonic Universe' just hit issue #50

So that would mean you're about a hundred issues out of date.

Okay then.


I'm honestly semi-guessing at that date, and I'm kinda bad at that. The very last issue I read was like in a casino that the immortal mammoth guy owned and I guess Sonic was captured there with Bean and some shit? I don't really remember. Looking some shit up, it was decently after NewEggman goes insane. I'm just not sure where and 2010ish is my best guess.

Either way, even if I am out of date, when such a large majority of the comic is horrible, I don't know why I would even bother to believe that it's changed at all. I know people who defended it vehemently, the same people who wanted me to read it, and honestly everything they said about it being at all complex came off as bull.

Not to mention one of my favorite characters in the series is Eggman and I so much dislike him being portrayed as a completely evil shitface that it really kinda hurt to read him being portrayed like that. Especially after the Sonic X comic did such a good job with him, especially with his luchador arc.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 22, 2013 3:57 am 
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Eggman is in his more 'evil' vein at the moment - he's more into nefarious plotting and scheming and less the 'inept fatman humour' of the TV series or Sonic X side stories, I can see why you lost interest if you preferred that kind of Eggman (personally I like the darker, more capable and nefarious Eggman).

I never really dug the Sonic X side series, personally - but Luchador Eggman was definitely entertaining when he showed up.

I'm not saying you should get into reading it again if you've moved on - I'm just defending the writers and artists at Archie 'cos I think they're doing an okay job at the moment.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 22, 2013 4:09 am 
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It's never really been inept, in fact the whole point of him is that he's horribly good at what he does. He takes down G.U.N repeatedly, almost takes over the world repeatedly, and generally he's a massive threat.

The only problem is that Sonic is just better.

Which, even that, is a major point of character for Eggman. He respects and semi-admires Sonic because Sonic is so good. Because no matter what Eggman does, Sonic can stop him, sometimes by sheer luck. He hates the daisies hedgehog, but he's respectful about it.

He's treated as comic relief sometimes, but only by Sonic. Most of his wackier moments come directly from Sonic making a fool out of him. When Sonic isn't in his face all the time, like a lot of SA2, he's much more menacing and treated as a much greater threat.

Archie Eggman is just a simplified evil blob in comparison. He just wants to be evil because he bodaciously hates fun????

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 Post subject: Re: Western Cartoons/Comics
PostPosted: Fri Mar 22, 2013 4:16 am 
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You guys are like this one Indian guy in my dorm

He will argue with you until the sun dies about how Spiderman is apparently god-tier and THE BEST and can kick the asses of every other superhero combined (into one Super booty, so to speak?).

We always just say "yeah but he's a whiny little bitch" and he gets super rustled.


also I had no idea Sonic the Hedgehog was still going on in comic form. I thought the comics died along with the last shred of dignity the games had.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 22, 2013 4:24 am 
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hell no

the sonic comics are like, by far, the longest running video-game-comic of basically ever

and generations would like to have a word with you on the dignity front

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 22, 2013 4:30 am 
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Galaxy Man wrote:
Archie Eggman is just a simplified evil blob in comparison. He just wants to be evil because he bodaciously hates fun????

I wouldn't say it's as simple as "just hating fun" - It's still Eggman's number one goal to make Sonic's life hell - but since recovering from his mental breakdown he's just been so much smarter about how he goes about doing that. Currently Eggman will pass up easy 'destroy and conquer' opportunities to take a shot at Sonic - much to Snively's annoyance*. Current Eggman delighted in Princess Sally's roboticisiation because he knew the psychological impact that would have on Sonic and the Freedom Fighters - he even remodeled and weaponised 'Mecha Sally' because he knew that would push home that trauma even deeper into the Freedom Fighters. Smarter Eggman has exerted his 'iron fist of command' down on all his lackeys in the various regions of Mobius to get them in line and all working towards a common goal. He's a proper 'dictator of doom' at the moment; I think it's great!

I'm not sure how it's going to play out long-term because I think the story is headed toward Princess Sally being de-roboticised - and at that point Eggman will lose his 'trump card' for screwing with Sonic - but Archie Eggman is very much more in the vein of Megatron these days, so he'll no doubt have another scheme in the works once 'Mecha Sally' is no longer in his deck.

*Snively is out of the picture for the moment - he tried to usurp Eggman because he doubted the actions he was taking but instead ended up in one of Eggman's prison-pods - their relationship was very 'Megatron vs. Starscream' for that arc.


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also I had no idea Sonic the Hedgehog was still going on in comic form. I thought the comics died along with the last shred of dignity the games had.

Longest running video game-inspired comic, I believe.

I personally follow the comics less for their accuracy/truthfulness regarding the video games - and more for the original characters Archie comes up with to fill in gaps and create character dynamics and stories - they're quite inventive at that.

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 Post subject: Re: Western Cartoons/Comics
PostPosted: Fri Mar 22, 2013 4:32 am 
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that does sound significantly smarter than basically everything i read, so i'll take your word for it
i just don't really like villians like that, who are just evil, without really very many good reasons for it

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[Citation Needed] wrote:
You guys are like this one Indian guy in my dorm

He will argue with you until the sun dies about how Spiderman is apparently god-tier and THE BEST and can kick the asses of every other superhero combined (into one Super booty, so to speak?).

We always just say "yeah but he's a whiny little bitch" and he gets super rustled.

To be fair, Spiderman is probably at the top of "street-level" superheroes.


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