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I think the argument is that the Cowboys & Indians trope is inherently racist towards Native Americans and that using it in a children's show is a poor choice. And it's actually the opposite of what you're arguing: The fact that the writers took the theme of diplomacy first and then slapped on the Cowboy & Indian trope is worse, not better. It's very poor decision-making. It's not like axing the C&I theme would mean they'd have to completely rewrite their base plotline of diplomacy, they would just have to find another vehicle to express their moral through - preferrably one that is not so seeped in violence and bloodshed.

Also I don't know if you read my comment to check out the link, but Coelasquid's mention of German boners and burros and the Holocaust was in response to someone saying that things like this Native American shenanigan are okay, and the tip of the iceberg, because cartoons will probably be covering themes like the Holocaust one day (which I think was actually the naive comment).

The main reason I don't debate much on the actual show is that I have not watched much of it, and I have not seen these episodes in particular and can only cite examples others have used. (I would try to see some since I always champion experiencing something before you fully debate it, but the internet here means it can take upwards of an hour to watch a 22-minute episode.) I can't say whether or not the way the show represents both sides is fair, but I have just heard the end results/morals ultimately fall flat on their faces in the Bison and Zecora shows.

Last thing, regarding your comment:

You also have to remember that the people creating these shows are adults. What does it say if they don't pick up on these things? If people are not self-aware, these sorts of errors will continue to show themselves in children's media. It's all well and good that they want to tackle difficult subjects, but like it was said, either do it well or avoid it until you are able to do so.


Also a lot of posts were made just before I made this, if people are getting super annoyed by me discussing this let me know; like I said, I just like these sorts of debates.

i feel like i must live in a very different place than everyone else because when i was small, almost everyone was judged on race(and level of ability/disability) before anybody bothered to get to know anybody. and this was at the age that is the target demographic of mlp. so...

I don't understand why people want to paint over things like native american history and ban them from being used in cartoons at all.

Better to introduce these things to people (children) at some point rather than handle them with kid gloves and pretend like they didn't happen at all - lest history repeat itself again.

These things referencing history do have difficult undertones, but they also enrich and breathe life into things.

If you try to take all of that away you just end up with four magnolia painted walls and a whole lot of nothing happening.



I don't recall that happening.

The cowboy ponies and bison say something along the lines of: "If we'd just sat down and talked about this to start with... none of this need have happened" with the Zecora story actually having a similar conclusion.


All I'd say is that you might want to watch the show yourself instead of copypasting someone else's opinions - so you know just what it is you're posting.

yes but you can do that in a way that isn't fucking racist and stupid

I can see your point, and I do agree. The reason I said in my first point that it would be better for them to not have used it was because the end result was not pulled of well in many people's eyes. I think they would have had more success with their diplomacy moral if they used another subject matter.

Also some of ya'll need to stop using curse words in your posts. It just makes your tone overtly aggressive and doesn't make people want to give you any reasonable responses.

Bluh.

I don't believe racism is really what happens in this situation.

The buffalo were indians. Yes. But if it was indian boners, the impact of the fighting would be different. it would be pony vs pony, and like I said, the easiest way to show differences to kiddos is appearance.

The buffalo may be seen as racist, simply because they are saying theyre different. But I think that their difference just adds to the shows theme of "ERRYONE IS FRIENDS REGARDLESS OF ANYTHING" I honestly think my original point was strong, and typing on ps3 while sleepy sucks. So please take into consideration, race does not equal racism.

The Pony Thread:

Heated debates of Sexuality, Racism, and sometimes horses

eggman you don't understand at all

boners are about deep social issues and thought provoking, contraversial dilemmas that hit at the philosophical core of our difficult modern lives

I think this might all be a bit over your head

So, getting away from the race debate...
Who is the best companion for Doctor Whooves?
I vote for Derpy.

Derpy definitely. I don't see why people imagine Twilight being his partner, it seems kinda out of place to me. Derpy seems like the kind that would add hilarity to any situation. Imagine her around the Daleks, heh.

In other news, I made a pony the other day


She's my OC, Honey Sprinkles. I drew her a long time ago but I can't get her eyes right so I haven't uploaded the sketch yet. Of course she doesn't look exactly like this; I had to settle with the hairstyles the generator had in stock. Her cutie mark's a honey pot with bees flying around it, since she's a beekeeper.

That's pretty cute; she actually sounds like she could be in the show!

Speaking of which, does anybody know what this week's episode is going to be about?

the shelf is made

still missing two though...

Oh the Nightmare Moon and Celestia are papercrafts?

They look good.

Thank you, I think ive linked the stencils to them in this thread a while ago.
I have a Hugh Jelly one ive been putting off. just Because its more of a gift thing than something to put on a shelf. And I have no one to give it to.

Yeah, pretty awesome. And I think that the best companion for Doctor Whooves would be Carrot Top, that one red-headed pony.