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 Post subject: Re: MSPA Thread: HAMSTEAK
PostPosted: Sat Aug 31, 2013 5:00 am 
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In fact, making him an childish asshole makes him more unpredictable than some aloof chessmaster.
Also a bodaciously omnipotent and immortal godlike being would need a huge deus ex machina to defeat, which arguably would be less interesting than the protagonists winning of their own strength.

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 Post subject: Re: MSPA Thread: HAMSTEAK
PostPosted: Sat Aug 31, 2013 2:28 pm 
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I don't really care if he's more unpredictable this way or that he still has godlike power.

He's been defined. Explained. The best parts of Homestuck in my opinion are when he was referred to but not shown. The coat, the cane, the Felt, constantly building up the impression of a terrifying demon beyond the reach of any mortal.

That's what I thought god tiers were for initially. To give a method of circumventing that mysterious all-powerful force by giving them that same omnipotence in their own domains. They wouldn't try to oppose Lord English in combat, they'd use tricks and traps to do what they needed to without him interfering. Karkat had been the one to summon him in the first place, they could have found a way to create a stable time loop where they trap Lord English and are the ones who make it possible for him to be summoned in the first place. Not directly fighting him like it's building towards.

In my opinion, Jack should have been the primary antagonist. He commits regicide, breaks the game, and exploits a loophole in the usual series of events so hard he kills the universe. Then everyone's searching for a way to defeat him, knowing that Lord English is already out there somewhere, and it turns into a race to further exploit the game's rules in order to overcome what has become a guaranteed loss. Then Lord English shows up, gets his backstory, and Jack is pretty much just forgotten. He's not even strong enough to take on one godtier, let alone all of them. That's wrong.

It disappointed me that that's the way the story went, so I stopped reading.

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 Post subject: Re: MSPA Thread: HAMSTEAK
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I definitely agree with you about Jack. I don't like how he's essentially been phased out of the story.

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Didn't expect to see vikings in homestuck, especially not sky vikings.

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 Post subject: Re: MSPA Thread: HAMSTEAK
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Well the thing is, Homestuck is a coming of age story. At its heart it talks about kids facing hardships and growing up by overcoming them. It fits thematically to have an all-powerful villain who's actually a big manchild whose only way of dealing with challenges is to brute force them in extremely complicated manners because he's too stubborn and close-minded to adapt (in fact you could say that he's... homestuck, if you interpret "home" as one's own comfort zone that must be left behind in order to grow up) and of course you can't really make it clear without showing his personality and origin story. Also, he's still an omniscient lord of time. That's a pretty big deal. It means that he can place as many time loops to save his booty as he wants, with enough knowledge to make sure they don't come back to bite his booty later on and I really don't think grinding enemies until they hit the level cap will be enough to defeat him; the only way to kill him seems to be a battle of wits like the one you described but it won't obvious until the heroes reach the end of their character arc, as by that time they would have understood their roles better thus allowing them to use their powers to their full extent.

Also I agree on the bec noir thing, having him fall into obscurity after cascade was pretty disappointing though I hope Hussie will make him become relevant again sometime in the future

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 Post subject: Re: MSPA Thread: HAMSTEAK
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Personality yes, origin story no.

I'm going to talk about the Percy Jackson series now, since it has good parallels with Homestuck in that the ultimate big bad is a godly being (Kronos), controls time, and it's a coming of age story.

However, the difference with that series is that while Kronos is the end-all bad guy, the one who can and will destroy the world unless he's stopped, he's not the one the hero is fighting against. That'd be Luke, who plays host to Kronos until he can materialize his own form. Not quite like Doc Scratch and Lord English though, Luke is closer to the part of Bec Noir. He breaks the "game" and forces everyone to adapt to it while they try to stop him. We know HIS origin story because it shows why he fights against the gods so hard. It shows the reason he walked that path. Lord English seems to be dick because he likes to be a dick, that's not exactly worthy of an origin story when he was a dick even during said origin.

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he made another porn sword I swear to god

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"Another" porn sword?

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Well I mean this is the first time someone in Homestuck has done it.

It's a callback to Jailbreak.

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 Post subject: Re: MSPA Thread: HAMSTEAK
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Oh yeah, it is, isn't it? Man, it's been a while since I've read Jailbreak.

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This whole segment is a callback to the bad drawing style from back then.

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Yeah, don't do that. I'm not going to give you the spiel, but the albums are cheap as hell for the amount of music you get out of them.


I know, and I'm really sorry about it, and my only excuse is that COLLEGE AND cheddar AND GROCERIES AND cheddar AND NO JOB.
I want to save as much cheddar as I can.

Also MAN I JUST FUCKING LOVE HOMESTUCK.
I hate how I can't get so in depth like you guys can.
I just sit here and wait for the update, gladly reading it, and blindly enjoying it.

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 Post subject: Re: MSPA Thread: HAMSTEAK
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I hate how I can't get so in depth like you guys can.


I think most of just ask "What if this were to happen?" and sometimes it's plausible.

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No like the whole "Character arcs and huge meanings and blah blah blah".
I'm just like "PORN SWORD REFERENCE."

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Meh, personally I'm glad that we found out more about Lord English in the form of Caliborn. I do agree that he was this mysterious, all-powerful force of nature and I was interested to find out his origins. Why? Because he was flat as hell and out of the picture. I wasn't really compelled to think of him as a final boss/overall villain because we never saw him actually do anything villainous! Just Doc Scratch as his proxy and a bunch of evil whisperings.

With Caliborn, we learned who he is, how he attained power, etc. We even saw him antagonize the new heroes (and now the old ones, if John's death threat is anything to take seriously). Plus, Caliborn introduced us to a way to likely kill Lord English--by exploiting his much more vulnerable younger self! When the pimp's in the crib, drop it like it's hot.

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