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 Post subject: Re: Movies
PostPosted: Fri Jan 24, 2014 11:20 am 
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The concise reasons are they had really good pacing at first, got right into the story. But the the ending came about too quickly. Probably because they used up all their music in the first part of the film.

All in all, it's not a bad movie. It's just not all that.


I sort of agree with you on all points, but I still love the movie.

The songs do sort of run out short quickly, and then Olaf and the Troll's songs were pretty dumb. The film really does touch on a lot of great themes, and most people either love Olaf or hate him as much as Jar Jar Binks. I think the thing with the villain in the film is pretty cool cause he was basically carrying out his villainous motives right from the start, and throughout the whole movie, but you didn't notice til the end. and from that description, you could think it was the Duke, but it was really Hans, which is also great.

Overall, since the movie is only an hour and half, which seems sort of short, I think they could have added a song or two in the middle/end, and extended the adventure. But the problem was it seems like it took Anna and Kristoff ages to get to Elsa's palace, but Hans and friends came and went in a flash. Probably because of horses? I dunno. It would have been cool to have more of an extended journey, and touch on Anna and Kristoff's "team building" a little bit more.

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 Post subject: Re: Movies
PostPosted: Fri Jan 24, 2014 12:18 pm 
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Hey Dire, why don't you send your ideas to the people who are currently making a broadway musical for Frozen? They sound super neato.

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 Post subject: OK, rant done. You can all go home now.
PostPosted: Fri Jan 24, 2014 12:21 pm 
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The concise reasons are they had really good pacing at first, got right into the story. But the the ending came about too quickly. Probably because they used up all their music in the first part of the film.

The long reason I don't like it:

There's the opening song which is really just there as opening credits with the ice guys getting their ice. Fair enough. Opening credits don't count.

So moving on, the next song is the montage for 'do you want to build a snowman'. I liked that song and did what it needed to do to convey Anna's loneliness and carry us through to present day.
Then next song is pretty much immediately after about coronation day. Yeah okay. That song is about Anna's excitement and Elsa's trepidation. I can see those things being worth singing about.
But before the night's over we have another song, 'Love is an open door'I guess you would call it the 'date montage' song. Because that's exactly what it is.

Then Elsa runs away and we get another song, 'Let it go' Good song, important turning point for the story. Important moment for the character.

I guess that's the first half of the movie? But I can't really say that it feels like we're in the middle of a journey at this point. Arendelle only just got frozen, Elsa only just ran away and Anna hasn't even met the other protagonists yet.

So moving on Anna begins her quests. She finds Kristoff, then Olaf , then Elsa. Then gets sent packing by Elsa, then goes back home where surprise, surprise, the villain finally reveals themselves and I guess the last intense moments of the movie happen, ie the climax.

There are only two songs carrying us through this part, Olaf's unnecessary song about summer (didn't move the plot) and the Trolls song about how Anna should date their boy Kris (which also added nothing and in fact diminished the seriousness of her condition).

So I feel that they had some excellent stuff going on, but botched the pacing in the end because they didn't write much of a middle (the internal/external conflict).

You might ask, what they could have done to fill the middle? Well I would have liked to have seen them develop on Elsa's neurosis' a bit more along with Anna's desperation to be with people. I guess showing the differences between them that they had to overcome, like learning to understand and love each other again type stuff. Elsa's own battle with depression and anxiety was super interesting, and I think it would have been nice if even after everything was back to being normal that she still needed to take baby steps when being surrounded by people (since invisible illnesses of that sort aren't cured overnight in reality)
It was practically the climax where they said in words that Anna was desperate for love and she thought she found it in her prince charming when all along the most important love of her life was her sister. That would have been something really specially to see in a Disney movie with princesses, a movie where the girl's worth isn't defined by getting a boy. I mean, it was the climax of the movie, it really would have been nice for more build up as a plot point. I think they could have gone into more depth and really made the movie special that way.

I also felt the villain showed up too late and had so little impact he may as well have not been there. He was bodaciously a deus ex machina. They could have had faceless mobs go after Elsa for the same impact. In fact it would have been a more interesting movie, sans villain where the only issue to overcome is the differences between an extrovert and an introvert. And the whole thing with Hans could have gone down like 'Sorry, my sister comes first, and she's not ready for a brother in law.' or something! Or maybe we save song space and Hans was never there. Either way, as far as villains go. This one fails.


All in all, it's not a bad movie. It's just not all that.


You know what? I can actually understand your points here. I've never really been one to notice when a movie's "pacing" or whatever isn't great, unless it's REALLY bad, but now that you mention it, I see what you mean. While I don't agree on WHICH songs were unnecessary, I do concede that some of the songs were kind of unnecessary. For example, I actually really liked Fixer Upper. It's a fun song, and I actually do think it has some relevance to the story in terms of theming. Listen to the song again, but this time replace Kristoff with Elsa and lines about romantic love with lines about sisterly love. On the other hand, Love is an Open Door and Olaf's song weren't that great. Although, to those songs' credit, both of them had lines in them that made me laugh, so neither of them felt like a complete waste of my time. I also agree that we should have seen more Elsa, because she was a fantastic character(easily the strongest and most developed in the movie), and also that the villain was WEEEEEAAAAAAAAAK. Both of them were, actually. They were revealed so late that they didn't get the chance to really DO anything, and this is a Disney movie! They're good at making compelling villains! That was my biggest complaint about the movie, and I completely agree that they should have just been left out entirely, at least as a villain. Nice surprise reveal though, that was pretty tragic how Hans revealed his true demeanor. What a buttface.

I'll always defend Frozen as a great movie, but I definitely understand why some people didn't like it as much as I do or even didn't like it at all. For me, when this movie did things right, it did them REALLY right, and it hit a lot of sweet spots for me that made me get really invested in the story. THERE IS LEGIT THEMING AND METAPHORS IN THIS DISNEY MOVIE WHAT. THAT'S REALLY COOL TO ME. NO PUN INTENDED. What I really liked most about it is that despite being almost 21 years old and having seen enough movies that I could tell, for the most part, where the plot was going, I didn't care. I was just along for the ride, and I wasn't disappointed. At the end, when Anna is completely frozen(those puns tho) and Elsa is freaking draped over her sister crying, I knew everything would be OK because Disney, but I still got really teary about that scene. Maybe this movie just reminds me of my own younger sister, and the great relationship I have with her, and that's why it resonates so much with me.

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 Post subject: Re: OK, rant done. You can all go home now.
PostPosted: Sat Jan 25, 2014 12:24 am 
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... For example, I actually really liked Fixer Upper. It's a fun song, and I actually do think it has some relevance to the story in terms of theming. Listen to the song again, but this time replace Kristoff with Elsa and lines about romantic love with lines about sisterly love.


Then that would be another interesting thing to develop. You know, push the parallels between Kristoff and Elsa and I guess have Anna's experiences with Kristoff give her some insight into how Elsa must feel.

Meaning Kristoff would be even more important to the story thematically. Like, I can kinda see it being there. But at the same time I can see it being completely unintentional.

All that neat stuff is right there in the movie already. It just didn't get the right focus.

Oh also would love to have seen a few more door related metaphors.

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At the end, when Anna is completely frozen(those puns tho) and Elsa is freaking draped over her sister crying, I knew everything would be OK because Disney, but I still got really teary about that scene. Maybe this movie just reminds me of my own younger sister, and the great relationship I have with her, and that's why it resonates so much with me.

I have a little sister too. So the parts with the sisters were the parts that got me too. In fact movies that are about the love between family members as opposed to romantic love usually get me. Mulan gets me the most these days.

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Hey Dire, why don't you send your ideas to the people who are currently making a broadway musical for Frozen? They sound super neato.

They're paying professionals to beef up their story, I'm not sending them mine for free.

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 Post subject: Re: Movies
PostPosted: Sat Jan 25, 2014 1:24 am 
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 25, 2014 3:14 pm 
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Haven't seen it, but from what I understand about the premise, the whole thing just seems really creepy to me.

I don't really find the premise for Her that creepy, and I don't even have a waifu. the operating system is bodaciously an artificial intelligence, it's a person with no body. It's more sad than anything.

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 Post subject: Re: Movies
PostPosted: Sat Jan 25, 2014 7:36 pm 
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Something I read online, that I find makes Love is an Open Door better is not to listen to it as a love song, think of it as the Villain song.


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 Post subject: Re: Movies
PostPosted: Sun Jan 26, 2014 12:36 pm 
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I went to go see American Hustle and it was SO GOOD, please everyone go see it it was incredible. I have a big man crush on Christian Bale so that might help me like it as much as I did but regardless it's a fantastic film, my third favorite this year behind Nebraska and Her.

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 Post subject: Re: Movies
PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2014 3:52 am 
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The Wolf of Wall Street was pretty good (the cerebral palsy scene was some of the best acting I've ever seen in my life), though it seriously needed more Matthew McConaughey.

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 Post subject: No movie needs more Matthew McConaughey
PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2014 4:04 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Movies
PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2014 4:25 pm 
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You ever notice how if Leonardo DiCaprio is in a romantic relationship with a lady, it never seems to end well?

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 Post subject: Re: Movies
PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2014 7:45 pm 
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I thought 2010 was just a banner year for dead fictional DiCaprio wives, but now that you mention it, bad relationships are kind of a career-wide trend for him...

Too bad ol' Leo doesn't have much better luck with men, I hear he just keeps getting rejected by that fellow Oscar.

(Also yeah, Wolf of Wall Street was excellent, though I've been annoyed at some ignoring what Scorsese was going for with its insanity and trying to emulate Belfort)

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 Post subject: Re: Movies
PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 1:59 pm 
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Saw Redline, an anime movie about racing in space, as evident by all the alien species, cyborgs and upstanding members of society.

It was pretty good and I really liked it, it had great animation, the story wasn't anything that complex but I'd say it was good regardless and it had memorable characters.

It had a few gory scenes but they're all short, one sticks out but that'd be spoilers.

The music in it was really good, I'd say it managed to fit well.

Would definitely recommend.


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 Post subject: Re: Movies
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I fucking love Redline watch it if you love GIANT POMPADOURS and I mean come on who doesn't love giant pompadours

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 Post subject: Re: Movies
PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 7:26 pm 
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you should check out Trava if you aren't aware of it

it stars Trava and Shinkai who appear in Redline

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