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PostPosted: Tue Jun 25, 2013 6:35 pm 
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It's more like refining the earth kind of takes away the natural bits. It's manmade, not part of the earth anymore.

...metal IS natural. Wether it has imperfections or not shouldnt matter, it either is part of the Earth or it isnt.

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Fire is plasma, the fourth state of matter. :science:


that might work if the core bending element, fire, was actually plasma

however, it's not. it's far more likely that it's actual energy being bent, as in anything that produces energy on it's own. fire and electricity both fit that.

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...metal IS natural. Wether it has imperfections or not shouldnt matter, it either is part of the Earth or it isnt.


metal that comes right out of the ground is natural yes

metal created by people is not natural

plastic is technically a product made of natural things, but you'd be laughed out of town if you ever tried to call a plastic cup a part of nature

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 25, 2013 7:27 pm 
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Metal is just refined ore, plastic is a combination of synthetic stuff. Theyre VERY different things

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Metal is just refined ore, plastic is a combination of synthetic stuff. Theyre VERY different things


Plastic is made of polymer. Polymer is an organic thing.

The refining process of metal removes it from nature. Nothing in nature is pure. Refined metal is a man-made thing.
It doesn't matter if the basic thing came from nature, the end product has been warped and is no longer natural.

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And polluted water seems harder to bend too. With the painted lady episode, Toph and Katara had to work together to clean the water.

And in Korra, Platinum was used in the battle suits because it was too pure to be bent by metalbenders.

So perhaps the elements can be made unusable in certain circumstances.

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I never got the issue with "synthetic vs natural". Before we came around, everything was natural, until we found a way to manipulate it ourselves. Even plastic comes from petroleum (I don't know the specifics) so really the only difference is the length it goes from its raw state to its final form. Certainly nylon is more synthetic than a hemp rope, but everything at some point has come from nature.

And actually, if we're going to get super technical, the biggest synthetic factory is our own body. Everything we take in as food gets broken down and rebuilt to something completely different, whether it's waste, energy, or biomass. Even water is both an input, and output resource. We both use it to breakdown biological molecules, and produce it through cellular respiration. So where's the line exactly for "raw" and "synthetic" material?

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Synthetic stuff generally lasts forever, which is big difference from raw/organic stuff.

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Forever is a relative term. It's surprising what artificial stuff breaks down.

Bending is directly related to the realm of Spirit. Perhaps the reason it doesn't obey a strict logic is because it's supposed to make sense in the Spirit World, not on Earth. One spirit is fire, one is air, one is water, one is earth. Not our definitions of the elements, but their own. What humans wield are not the subdivisions of their world, but of the spirit world.

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That's actually basically just a different way of putting what I've been saying, yeah.

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Still want a techno-Avatar. Make up for the disappointment that was Amon's character. So much potential wasted right there.

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I have already explained how a techno-avatar couldn't exist and make sense. Don't make me do it again.

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Story of "Avatar: The Last Airbender" Video Game
While training in the North Pole, Aang and Katara hear reports of a waterbender, Hiryu, going missing, which they investigate. They arrive at the Water Tribe as a Fire Nation ship attacks, led by Prince Zuko. They are able to fend off the attackers, but Katara is captured during the battle. Aang and Sokka follow the ship, but are slowed by a Firebending machine.

They follow the ship to an Earth Kingdom port. They slip into the jail and free Katara, who informs them of another prisoner named Lian the Maker, who is being forced to make machines for the Fire Nation. When they arrive at Lian’s cell, they find it empty, except for a map to an Earth Kingdom village.

They find the village under attack by machines. After fending off the machines, picking up Haru and being informed that one of his earthbending friends Yuan was kidnapped, they travel to the library of Omashu for clues to where the machines might originate from. The information from the library leads them to an uncharted island.

On the island, they find Lian, making more machines. She fears that Aang will not be able to master all four elements before Sozin’s comet arrives. Aang refused her help, seeing as how the machines were disrupting villages. Lian then voiced her contempt for him as she sends a machine to fight them to flee to the Air temple, attempting to destroy the Avatar statues. They stop Lian, but Katara, Sokka, and Haru are captured by another machine.

Aang pursues Lian and the machine to a fortress. After Aang rescues his friends, they find Zuko, also captured by a machine. Upon rescuing him, Zuko attacks the group. At the end of the resulting fight, Zuko is knocked over a cliff and swept over a waterfall.

The four enters the fortress, where they find Lian, where she finished a machine being manned by the missing waterbender Hiryu, Haru's friend Yuan and a nameless firebender. Lian tries to attach Aang to the machine, but he battles it instead. During the fight, Katara is struck down, causing Aang to enter the Avatar State and destroys the machine, burying Lian under its rubble, killing her (though she survives in the portable versions of the game.)

As the four leave the fortress, Zuko is seen crawling up on the shoreline, grumbling angrily.

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Galaxy Man wrote:
I have already explained how a techno-avatar couldn't exist and make sense. Don't make me do it again.


Can't stop won't stop.

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I've given that sort of thing some thought, not just with avatar, but any universe where "mythical abilities" come into play. Any time someone has "special powers" or there's some evil force, it's based on the "spirit world." Avatar does it, The Elder Scrolls does it, the TV series "Supernatural" has made it their main focus...it's out there. Everyone thinks that the "spirit worlds" are connected to that physical realm...but what if it wasn't? Everyone's heard of the "Multiple Universe" hypothesis where you take the logic that stems from the 1st though the 4th dimension, and branch it off to as far as a 10th dimension, where everything as comcrete as the laws of physics have variable possibilities. These spirit worlds could be alternate universes parallel to the original where the two overlap. It's farfetched, but then again we're talking about people shooting fire from their hands. It makes sense if you think about the fact that these two different realms usually always deal with "life" vs "death" which are two things the multiuniverse hypothesis cover of you consider the two polar opposites. What is death for one realm is life for the other. If it helps, saying they're two different universes might be too specific. Maybe they're two general possibilities for existence in itself, and for every infinite possibility for the prime universe, there is just as real a possibility for the "spirit universe." It sounds like a cop out, but that explains why you have things that work "because spirit world magic".

Also the analogy you were thinking of was Fringe, which is totally different and actually started to suck when they brought in that multiverse crap so it only gets an honorable mention.

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If Korra is the only person living who has a body that can do all four elements, does that mean if she's cloned then her clones can use all four elements?

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