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PostPosted: Sun Sep 06, 2009 4:39 am 
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Oh just buy Action Replay and stop moping around. I think you can part with 10 bucks if you want to hack Pokemon so badly.


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Oh just buy Action Replay and stop moping around. I think you can part with 10 bucks if you want to hack Pokemon so badly.

Eh, it's a lot more difficult hacking a pokemon via Action Replay or PokeSav that'll pass the legitimacy test.

Cloned Pokemon on the other hand, have no flaws.

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Karilyn wrote:
Eh, it's a lot more difficult hacking a pokemon via Action Replay or PokeSav that'll pass the legitimacy test.

Its... its really not. There's nothing to it, other than not screwing up and choosing a wrong move or ability.

Heck, there's even programs that check the legitimacy of the Pokemon!


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I heard there was a way to clone Pokemon using the Global Trading Center in Diamond and Pearl.

But ask me no more, for I know no more.

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Plasma wrote:
Karilyn wrote:
Eh, it's a lot more difficult hacking a pokemon via Action Replay or PokeSav that'll pass the legitimacy test.

Its... its really not. There's nothing to it, other than not screwing up and choosing a wrong move or ability.

Heck, there's even programs that check the legitimacy of the Pokemon!


My Pokemon are so not legit! :D

I taught Cosmic Power to my Weavile, but that's to protect its subpar defenses.

A lot of people like to give super strong cheat moves to their Pokemon (like Blast Burn, Frenzy Plant, Roar of Time, etc...) but I give my Pokes moves that help them, not just make them look overpowered. Yeah, a lot of my Pokemon know Cosmic Power.

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Would a spread of 70/65/85 really be subpar defensewise? I'm curious if Cosmic Power would really help you win a game or two in a battle. Say you had your Weavile up with 1 Cosmic Power boost, your opponent could switch in a Gyarados counter. You decide to stay in and Cosmic Power again, in hopes of saving your Weavile. Gyarados will have Stone Edge up, doing about 51% with two boosts up. Even if you boost again and survive the next Stone Edge, the Gyarados will at least be at 75% (assuming you set up SR) and recover with Leftovers, while you're at about 10% health.
This would never happen, but in my opinion, it's better to have Swords Dance if you like setting up. Weavile is not capable of walling many Pokemon with Cosmic Power. It can survive a few hits if it manages to get boosts up, but most likely you won't get the opportunity to without a Baton Passer.

Moves like Blast Burn or Frenzy Plant aren't really that overpowered. There are usual Pokemon that use Leaf Storm (Roserade) and Draco Meteor (Salamence, Latias), which STAB boosts and is only 10 BP weaker.

Actually, Cosmic Power Weavile is pretty unique. I wouldn't mind having one if its defenses weren't so subpar.


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Would a spread of 70/65/85 really be subpar defensewise? I'm curious if Cosmic Power would really help you win a game or two in a battle. Say you had your Weavile up with 1 Cosmic Power boost, your opponent could switch in a Gyarados counter. You decide to stay in and Cosmic Power again, in hopes of saving your Weavile. Gyarados will have Stone Edge up, doing about 51% with two boosts up. Even if you boost again and survive the next Stone Edge, the Gyarados will at least be at 75% (assuming you set up SR) and recover with Leftovers, while you're at about 10% health.
This would never happen, but in my opinion, it's better to have Swords Dance if you like setting up. Weavile is not capable of walling many Pokemon with Cosmic Power. It can survive a few hits if it manages to get boosts up, but most likely you won't get the opportunity to without a Baton Passer.

Moves like Blast Burn or Frenzy Plant aren't really that overpowered. There are usual Pokemon that use Leaf Storm (Roserade) and Draco Meteor (Salamence, Latias), which STAB boosts and is only 10 BP weaker.

Actually, Cosmic Power Weavile is pretty unique. I wouldn't mind having one if its defenses weren't so subpar.


Wow. You know a LOT about Pokemon :D

But if you could combine Cosmic Power with either double Team or Smokescreen, it could boost its defenses to full without getting hit so often.

I also taught my Weavile Cosmic Power with an AR cheat. I also gave Amnesia to my Aggron.

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What's so great about the move Amnesia anyway? I never saw the appeal.

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It sharply raises special defense.

So thats helpful against special sweepers and whatnot.


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I guess I'm more used to fighting AI than real people who use tactics that would make me think about things like that.

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Even against the AI... There is a big difference between sweeping the computer from ten levels above their arbitrarily unevolved Pokemon... And something like the Battle Frontier.

A lot of the NPC teams outside of the Battle Frontier are deliberately bad, with poor movesets, poor typing, and low stats. And all this is still before you can overlevel them. In Battle Frontier, you and the computer are the same level, and the computer players have reasonably competitive stats, party makeups, and movesets.

It's still not the same as fighting other humans, but it's a lot closer, and moves that alter stats, hold items, etc, all become crucially important.

It's good to remember that Pokemon is a game where it does not take much setup to oneshot several non-Wall Pokemon in a row, even at the same level, due to absurdly low HP relative to damage. And even walls can be 2-3 shot under the right circumstances.

On the competitive level, the most common strategy is essentially to sacrifice 1-2 Pokemon, to set up another one to be able to kill 4-5 of the opponents Pokemon in a row via oneshotting. It's somewhat less common now that Garchomp has been banned, but it's still an easy and powerful strategy.

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Head of The Brothel wrote:
It sharply raises special defense.

So thats helpful against special sweepers and whatnot.


Especially considering the fact that Aggron doesn't have the greates Sp. Def... :<

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One of my fronds was playing Silver or Gold on the computer (not Heart or Soul, maggots!) and because it's so fast-paced (battles take about 1.5 seconds), she leveled up all her pokemon to levels 43 and so while in the level 20 areas of the game :(


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Fooflyer wrote:
One of my fronds was playing Silver or Gold on the computer (not Heart or Soul, maggots!) and because it's so fast-paced (battles take about 1.5 seconds), she leveled up all her pokemon to levels 43 and so while in the level 20 areas of the game :(

Ugh, yeah, but it slows down like crazy later on. The worst part of Silver and Gold was the retardedly low wild Pokemon levels and Elite Four levels, compared to the levels of Red.

I remember grinding for like 20 hours outside of Mount Silver in order to be able to fight Red (-_-; )

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Ha ha, Cosmic Power and Double Team Weavile would be absolutely annoying if you played against your friends, and get lucky.
So would Amnesia Aggron. A Choice Specs Modest Espeon would only 2HKO your Aggron with Hidden Power Ground if you managed at least 2 boosts and had 252 HP EV's on it. That would be really amazing.

On the competitive level, there's not as much worrying about the luck that AI have. I remember reading somewhere that the Battle Frontier NPC are a lot luckier than the human players, and would often boost that luck higher. Things like OHKO moves would hit more successively under the hands of the AI than with humans, and items that boost evasion would basically make them unstoppable if you didn't have sure-hit moves.

I applaud you for fighting AI more than people, DND. I never liked the Battle Tower, since the strategies were awfully luck based. I once came across a Xatu with Toxic, Double Team, and Fly. Made me cry so badly trying to hit it even once.


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