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 Post subject: Re: League of Legends
PostPosted: Thu Dec 05, 2013 7:15 pm 
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I'm thinking about changing from maining Garen when I run Blind Pick tank top to Nautilus. Is the chain as fuck CC and teamfightability worth losing a four second silence and amazing execute? Not to mention the damage reduction/tenacity buff. Changing to a mana champ does open me up to some new items as well...

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 Post subject: Re: League of Legends
PostPosted: Thu Dec 05, 2013 7:26 pm 
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First off, of the games mentioned (not the ones in the contract) only Dota 2 is a direct competitor. Secondly, Riot wanting to own the players is pretty much what's wrong here. Sure, they pay their salaries, and restricting them from competing in other games or advertising them is one thing, but this is like the NFL or whatever firing a player for playing a friendly game of soccer in their free time (since Riot is so keen to make the comparison to actual sports). Because that's another thing, as far as I understand (correct me if I'm wrong), Riot has nothing to do with a player's personal stream. Again, the situation would be different if they asked the players not to promote other games while on the LCS stream.

More on the side, when this "esports" thing was first budding, there was this idea that there was no need for games to compete with each other for the spotlight, since any way of spreading this idea of "watching videogames competitively" would be good for all games involved. Looking back, that seems quite naive now.
I have to admit, I don't agree with all the analogies people are making to sports. You can argue "this is like the NFL or whatever firing a player for playing a friendly game of soccer in their free time", but that's not true at all. Pro video game players are not restricted from playing other games. They're only restricted from advertising them on their stream. A more apt comparison would be saying an NFL player goes and participates in MLB games while being paid by the NFL.

Dota 2 is not the only direct competitor. Smite, HoN, and Dawngate all have established tournaments and streaming venues (popularity pending). Blizzard will soon be releasing their All-Stars MOBA. Starcraft II and others would be competing with Riot for stream viewers. If one of League's pro players gets into Starcraft II, who's to say they won't suddenly want to start watching Starcraft II?

Also I've never seen that "there's no need for games to compete" mentality, even with the budding of esports. It's always been who can get the most viewers, the best sponsors, the largest tournies.

For my personal stance on this issue: it's business. I don't like it, and I don't necessarily agree with it, but I understand why Riot has it in place. Granted, I don't like the idea of LCS anyway because it's a) kind of boring and b) easy to manipulate/strong-arm people into doing what they (Riot) want. I'd rather they went back to their old system. I would be happier with the restrictions if they were only put in place when said streamer is "scheduled" to stream League of Legends, i.e. they can stream whatever the hell they want during their off hours.

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 Post subject: Re: League of Legends
PostPosted: Fri Dec 06, 2013 1:54 am 
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 Post subject: Re: League of Legends
PostPosted: Fri Dec 06, 2013 3:04 pm 
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Starcraft II and others would be competing with Riot for stream viewers. If one of League's pro players gets into Starcraft II, who's to say they won't suddenly want to start watching Starcraft II?

Right, so now someone watches two games instead of one. How is this hurting any one again? This would only become a problem when two huge tourneys happen on the same date, which is rare enough that it shouldn't be a concern.

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Of course Riot is in it for the cheddar, they're a company, their job is to make cheddar.

Yeah, but there's a difference between companies who make cheddar by making a quality product, promoting it and letting it speak for it self, or companies who uses ruthless marketing to keep customers uninformed and sabotage competitors.

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Pretty much every pro player's stream is sponsored by the companies that sponsor their team (and I suppose you could say the team itself? Not sure how that works.). So the streams aren't exactly personal, they're set up with the intention that they're representing their team.

Yeah, but Riot doesn't sponsor every player's personal stream do they (ie. do they pay every streamer for the stream numbers they get)? If they don't, they don't really have any business with what's going on on the personal stream.


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 Post subject: Re: League of Legends
PostPosted: Fri Dec 06, 2013 3:17 pm 
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SaintCrazy wrote:
Pretty much every pro player's stream is sponsored by the companies that sponsor their team (and I suppose you could say the team itself? Not sure how that works.). So the streams aren't exactly personal, they're set up with the intention that they're representing their team.

Syobon wrote:
Yeah, but Riot doesn't sponsor every player's personal stream do they (ie. do they pay every streamer for the stream numbers they get)? If they don't, they don't really have any business with what's going on on the personal stream.


I think the point is that Riot is indirectly or directly providing the LCS players with jobs, and since many of them make cheddar while streaming, they are considered to be during their work hours. Just think of how many companies don't allow you to browse facebook or similar websites while earning cheddar for job hours.

And then there's another comparison in that most gaming companies don't like you making cheddar off of their game, especially in certain ways, for example selling your account. You are making cheddar off of their game, and many companies would prefer if that cheddar went to themselves.

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 Post subject: Re: League of Legends
PostPosted: Fri Dec 06, 2013 6:01 pm 
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Ablu2 wrote:
I think the point is that Riot is indirectly or directly providing the LCS players with jobs, and since many of them make cheddar while streaming, they are considered to be during their work hours. Just think of how many companies don't allow you to browse facebook or similar websites while earning cheddar for job hours.

Their not on their job though while streaming. As I said, Riot doesn't pay them for streaming as far as I know.

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And then there's another comparison in that most gaming companies don't like you making cheddar off of their game, especially in certain ways, for example selling your account. You are making cheddar off of their game, and many companies would prefer if that cheddar went to themselves.

I don't get what you're trying to say here, Riot most definitely doesn't mind any one streaming LoL, that would be very stupid.


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 Post subject: Re: League of Legends
PostPosted: Fri Dec 06, 2013 7:18 pm 
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http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends ... ng_policy/ Then comes the question "Why didn't you do that in the first place? Oh, because you didn't want to show pro league players enjoying those games at all? Okay then."

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 Post subject: Re: League of Legends
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Yay, my idealistic view of Riot as not totally cheddar-hungry is not unfounded.

I imagine the overreach was to cover any loopholes other game companies might find in the policy. Thankfully the Rioters in charge realized it wasn't worth it once it became a PR problem.

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 Post subject: Re: League of Legends
PostPosted: Fri Dec 06, 2013 8:27 pm 
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.....I guess that makes sense
I am pop flyin' that they're changing the contract but honestly it seems more like a PR move due to the backlash
it's much more reasonable than "can't stream any rival games"

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 Post subject: Re: League of Legends
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Why do people act like disengaging from baron is the hardest thing ever


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 Post subject: Re: League of Legends
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Why do people act like disengaging from baron is the hardest thing ever

because WE NEED TO GET BARON GUYS IT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING
DOESN'T MATTER THAT THE ENEMY JUNGLER IS LURKING AROUND
OH HE'S bodaciously IN THE BARON PIT WAITING FOR AN OPPORTUNITY TO SMITE STEAL BETTER GIVE IT TO HIM :(

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 Post subject: Re: League of Legends
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 Post subject: Re: League of Legends
PostPosted: Sun Dec 08, 2013 4:30 am 
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I just had so much fun with Talon in an aram. I wish I didn't suck with him in SR, but dat kill potential

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 Post subject: Re: League of Legends
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 Post subject: Re: League of Legends
PostPosted: Sun Dec 08, 2013 10:55 pm 
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x3chaos wrote:
scebboaliwiw wrote:
Why do people act like disengaging from baron is the hardest thing ever

because WE NEED TO GET BARON GUYS IT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING
DOESN'T MATTER THAT THE ENEMY JUNGLER IS LURKING AROUND
OH HE'S bodaciously IN THE BARON PIT WAITING FOR AN OPPORTUNITY TO SMITE STEAL BETTER GIVE IT TO HIM :(


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