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PostPosted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 11:21 pm 
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You need to realize the difference between opinion ("I may or may not like this thing that may or may not be utterly terrible") and fact ("I know for a fact that Mouse and Keyboard is the best way to play an FPS game because it is the most accurate of all methods by a long shot")


I'm gonna need statistics to prove this to be actual fact and not opinion. Even then I'm still very skeptical. Besides, as sloth pointed out, Metroid games aren't played on computers with keyboards. So really I don't see why were even arguing about which way to play a game is better, since it really doesn't apply here.


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It's a fact that Mouse and Keyboard is the superior control method for FPS games. Sure, some people DO like controllers or wiimotes better, but their opinion GOES AGAINST FACT. That's what OPINIONS are, anti-facts.

You need to realize the difference between opinion ("I may or may not like this thing that may or may not be utterly terrible") and fact ("I know for a fact that Mouse and Keyboard is the best way to play an FPS game because it is the most accurate of all methods by a long shot")



You really have no idea what an opinion is, do you?

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Let's all stop replying to RNFB and just let him rant to himself, and get it off his chest, maybe?

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impmon08 wrote:
RabidNintendoFanboy wrote:
You need to realize the difference between opinion ("I may or may not like this thing that may or may not be utterly terrible") and fact ("I know for a fact that Mouse and Keyboard is the best way to play an FPS game because it is the most accurate of all methods by a long shot")


I'm gonna need statistics to prove this to be actual fact and not opinion. Even then I'm still very skeptical. Besides, as sloth pointed out, Metroid games aren't played on computers with keyboards. So really I don't see why were even arguing about which way to play a game is better, since it really doesn't apply here.


Let's see

Dual analog is clunky and difficult to aim with. Aiming is the most important part of control in an FPS game. Wiimote controls for FPS games are sloppy, wobbly, and innacurate. Mouse and Keyboard are PERFECT, because the mouse is on a perfectly stable surface and you can use far more precise movements.

How can you not see how M&K is the superior control method for FPS games?

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RabidNintendoFanboy wrote:
It's a fact that Mouse and Keyboard is the superior control method for FPS games. Sure, some people DO like controllers or wiimotes better, but their opinion GOES AGAINST FACT. That's what OPINIONS are, anti-facts.

You need to realize the difference between opinion ("I may or may not like this thing that may or may not be utterly terrible") and fact ("I know for a fact that Mouse and Keyboard is the best way to play an FPS game because it is the most accurate of all methods by a long shot")



You really have no idea what an opinion is, do you?


I just showed you an example of a fact and opinion. Here's a definition of it

1. a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty.
2. a personal view, attitude, or appraisal.

IE, completely made up bullshit with no meaning to anyone else except the holder of the opinion.

Now, let us see the definition of FACT

1. something that actually exists; reality; truth: Your fears have no basis in fact.
3. a truth known by actual experience or observation; something known to be true: Scientists gather facts about plant growth.

From the experiences of millions of FPS game players all over the world, it is a proven fact that mouse and keyboard is the superior method of control for FPS games.


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RabidNintendoFanboy wrote:
impmon08 wrote:
RabidNintendoFanboy wrote:
You need to realize the difference between opinion ("I may or may not like this thing that may or may not be utterly terrible") and fact ("I know for a fact that Mouse and Keyboard is the best way to play an FPS game because it is the most accurate of all methods by a long shot")


I'm gonna need statistics to prove this to be actual fact and not opinion. Even then I'm still very skeptical. Besides, as sloth pointed out, Metroid games aren't played on computers with keyboards. So really I don't see why were even arguing about which way to play a game is better, since it really doesn't apply here.


Let's see

Dual analog is clunky and difficult to aim with. Aiming is the most important part of control in an FPS game. Wiimote controls for FPS games are sloppy, wobbly, and innacurate. Mouse and Keyboard are PERFECT, because the mouse is on a perfectly stable surface and you can use far more precise movements.

How can you not see how M&K is the superior control method for FPS games?
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DON FUCKING NEWMAN METROID IS NOT PLAYED ON A COMPUTER SO MOUSE AND KEYBOARD SHOULD NOT EVEN APPLY



And believe it or not, I do better with the wii mote then with a mouse when it comes to FPS.. hell, I do better with duel analog triggers then with a mouse.


SEE THAT, I USED FACT. IT'S A FACT THAT I AM BETTER WITH A CONTROLLER THEN WITH A MOUSE.

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Sloth wrote:
RabidNintendoFanboy wrote:
impmon08 wrote:
RabidNintendoFanboy wrote:
You need to realize the difference between opinion ("I may or may not like this thing that may or may not be utterly terrible") and fact ("I know for a fact that Mouse and Keyboard is the best way to play an FPS game because it is the most accurate of all methods by a long shot")


I'm gonna need statistics to prove this to be actual fact and not opinion. Even then I'm still very skeptical. Besides, as sloth pointed out, Metroid games aren't played on computers with keyboards. So really I don't see why were even arguing about which way to play a game is better, since it really doesn't apply here.


Let's see

Dual analog is clunky and difficult to aim with. Aiming is the most important part of control in an FPS game. Wiimote controls for FPS games are sloppy, wobbly, and innacurate. Mouse and Keyboard are PERFECT, because the mouse is on a perfectly stable surface and you can use far more precise movements.

How can you not see how M&K is the superior control method for FPS games?
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DON FUCKING NEWMAN METROID IS NOT PLAYED ON A COMPUTER SO MOUSE AND KEYBOARD SHOULD NOT EVEN APPLY



And believe it or not, I do better with the wii mote then with a mouse when it comes to FPS.. hell, I do better with duel analog triggers then with a mouse.


SEE THAT, I USED FACT. IT'S A FACT THAT I AM BETTER WITH A CONTROLLER THEN WITH A MOUSE.


Yes, it's a fact that you suck with a better control scheme. But, that doesn't change the fact M&K is the superior control scheme.

Lets see if you can spin exactly 124 degrees to the left and aim 20 feet up in a fraction of a second with a wiimote or PS3/360 controller, wait you cant with those! But you can with just a mouse.


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RabidNintendoFanboy wrote:
Yes, it's a fact that you suck with a better control scheme. But, that doesn't change the fact M&K is the superior control scheme.


jesus christ shut the fuck up.


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So, if everybody you knew was better with a controller then with a mouse, would you still cling to your opinion, oops, I mean "fact" that the mouse and keyboard are superior? Even though its obvious that said fact is not always correct?

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Sloth wrote:
So, if everybody you knew was better with a controller then with a mouse, would you still cling to your opinion, oops, I mean "fact" that the mouse and keyboard are superior? Even though its obvious that said fact is not always correct?


I see you completely missed most of my points.

Go grab one of your precious console FPS games, put it in your console, load it up, grab your crappy controller, then spin around 124 degrees to the left and aim 20 feet up all in a fraction of a second.

When you can do that, then you can tell me that M&K is not the superior choice.

The only reason some people do "better" with a controller than M&K, is that they fucking fail at life and can't compete with other M&K players, so they have to go and play with other people using a horrible control scheme to get on even ground.

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RabidNintendoFanboy wrote:
Yes, it's a fact that you suck with a better control scheme. But, that doesn't change the fact M&K is the superior control scheme.


jesus christ shut the fuck up.


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I never said I was bad with mouse and keyboard. I do about average. Not excellent, not horrible.

However, my reflexes are better with controllers.



And, no I wasn't trying to avoid your points. I'm just wondering if you would still cling to your belief that mouse and keyboard is superior to everything even if people actually proved you wrong, because they are better with other mediums of control.

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Wouldn't a real man challenge himself with the handicap of an "inferior" control scheme?


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Sloth wrote:
I never said I was bad with mouse and keyboard. I do about average. Not excellent, not horrible.

However, my reflexes are better with controllers.



And, no I wasn't trying to avoid your points. I'm just wondering if you would still cling to your belief that mouse and keyboard is superior to everything even if people actually proved you wrong, because they are better with other mediums of control.


You still don't understand it

Just because you are better with one control scheme over another, doesn't mean it is actually better than the superior control scheme

You only think M&K is worse than controllers because you SUCK with M&K, because you don't have what it takes to compete with M&K players and have to go and play with other controller players who are doing so for the exact same reasons as you, they can't compete with M&K because their brains are inferior and can't handle the fast and accurate control of a mouse.


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RabidNintendoFanboy wrote:
You still don't understand it

Just because you are better with one control scheme over another, doesn't mean it is actually better than the superior control scheme


yeah, it does. because it's all a matter of personal preference. and as such, there is no "superior" control scheme. when it comes down to it, all that matters is wether or not you find it to be the preferred way to play the game.


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impmon08 wrote:
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You still don't understand it

Just because you are better with one control scheme over another, doesn't mean it is actually better than the superior control scheme


yeah, it does. because it's all a matter of personal preference. and as such, there is no "superior" control scheme. when it comes down to it, all that matters is wether or not you find it to be the preferred way to play the game.


Go back and read my fucking example.

With a mouse, you can spin around and aim with extreme accuracy in very little time. YOU CAN NOT ACHIEVE THE SAME PERFORMANCE WITH A WIIMOTE OR A CONSOLE CONTROLLER. Therefore, M&K is the superior control scheme.


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To clear things up, I don't normally play console games. Let alone FPS. I play TF2 when my internet allows me to, and I usually pull around 50 points in an half an hour. Not too amazing, but far more then the people who don't understand how to use mouse and keyboard.

However, I get a lot more kills when I'm playing the same game at my friends house, on his XBox 360. I will usually score around 60 points in half an hour. I'm not going to argue that the mouse has better precision. I guess all I'm trying to say is, even if you claim its fact, some people are just better with the console controllers, and not the mouse. Personally, I don't think either are superior. I think its more on who's using it.



What would you do if someone hooked a controller into their computer, and played TF2.. actually, I think you'd probably be more of a TFC kind of guy, since you apparently hate all new games. Anyway, would you still say the mouse and keyboard are superior even if the mouse users got their asses handed to them by a controller user?

Oh wait, I all ready know what you're going to say.
"Well it's obvious that the mouse users were too brain dead to know how to properly play the game, and the controller user easily beat them"


Again, I'm not going to argue that the mouse has more precision. However, I will argue that a controller can be better then the mouse if used by the right player.





So anyway, I think I might get this Metroid Trilogy. I don't really have any extra cash laying around, but I guess thats what birthdays are for. I never beat any of the Metroids. In fact, I haven't even played the second one, so I guess this would be the perfect opportunity to play it.

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