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Balancing a stealth buff isn't all that hard. It just needs to be targetted instead of AoE, have a fade time, and break on any hostile action.

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So someone is really pushing for a catgirl ezreal skin complete with gender bender fanfic and bad art.

I still think it'd be hilarious as a skin though.

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McMaster, summoner level... uh... 20-something. I think it's 21-24

I can't play for awhile 'cause my gamin' machine is out of commission. I don't really have a "main". I like to play a lot of people. If I were to have a main I guess it'd be Jax. I mean, crap, if you're gonna be rigged, might as well have fun while you're doing it, right?

My biggest problem with the game is that the makers seem unable to balance, and I have witnessed anti-balance. I quit for a while because they buffed Nunu's ultimate a while back. It was insane before, not rigged, it just hurt like a mofo if you were too stupid to get out, and then they made it STRONGER. I could've used a slight nerf, reduce the AoE or the slow. No. They make it stronger. And it has the highest AP ratio I've ever seen, and it has some really good base damage to begin with.

There are other things I have issues with, but I don't feel like droning on and on about them.

I should warn you, I have the singular ability to be vastly different from one game to the next. One game I'll go 30-3-20 and the next I'll go 3-27-4. I can't figure out what I do that's different, but it pretty much happens game to game. Like, awesome-suck-awesome-suck-awesome-suck almost without fail. Except with Tryndamere. I roflpwn most games as Tryndamere.

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The game is actually surprisingly balanced atm. Sure not all the champs are up there but there are like a good 10-15 really powerful champs that every team should try and have. I know ranked players don't like it because it makes it hard on who to ban in the ranked games because so many people are good that you can't ban all the "OP" ones.

People may say having so many OP characters is bad but by having that many its actually balanced since you have to choose which ones to keep and which ones to ban. It just sucks that like of the 60+ champs only like 1/4 are really playable for competitive matches.

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I'd agree, but it's incredibly hard to go back to the 40 original champions (especially ones like Jax or Corki) when the new champions are so amazing. It's not that they're UP, it's just the new ones have all these cool and really useful abilities.

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Leoj wrote:
The game is actually surprisingly balanced atm. Sure not all the champs are up there but there are like a good 10-15 really powerful champs that every team should try and have. I know ranked players don't like it because it makes it hard on who to ban in the ranked games because so many people are good that you can't ban all the "OP" ones.

People may say having so many OP characters is bad but by having that many its actually balanced since you have to choose which ones to keep and which ones to ban. It just sucks that like of the 60+ champs only like 1/4 are really playable for competitive matches.


Well, why not just balance all of them? What you're saying is that 1/4 of the champions get played, and they shuffle through those. They could just balance all of them, and we shuffle through ALL the champions. But, there are only a few REALLY rigged people, IMO. Nunu, in case you couldn't tell. 1125 (+2.5) is freaking ridiculous. Even if it is an ultimate.

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Wait, did you just say Nunu's ult is OP? Are you insane?

Also, new Halloween skins + maps + runes are awesome.
I wish I had cheddar to buy zombie ryze at least.

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WILL THE ALMIGHTY wrote:
I'd agree, but it's incredibly hard to go back to the 40 original champions (especially ones like Jax or Corki) when the new champions are so amazing. It's not that they're UP, it's just the new ones have all these cool and really useful abilities.


All I have to say to you, is Urgot. I could drop some other names, but I shouldn't even need to.

Garebear, try getting to level 30 before you made judgments about who is overpowered and who isn't in this game. I haven't seen a single person play Jax in months, and I can't even remember a time when he was good post-rework. Nunu's ultimate is one of the easiest to escape in the entire game, and it can be broken by a single stun, knock-up, silence, taunt, fear, or by just killing Nunu himself since he has to run into your whole team to hit anyone with it. Also, he only has two offensive abilities and is easily outperformed in consistent AoE damage by plenty of other casters. I hardly see him when I play either.

34 champions out of the existing 61 have some way to stop Nunu's ultimate mid-channel. 16 champions have built-in teleport or dash abilities which ignore his ultimate's slow and cannot be easily predicted for an early detonation. Also, bodaciously anyone can get flash and it will render his ultimate useless even on the most vulnerable of champions.

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Urgot is pretty bad. But yes some of the new champs are fun while the original 40 are kinda boring to play.

Its hard to balance so many champs though. I mean look at Ezreal and Garen. When Ez came out he wasn't as crazy and then people started breaking him and it took a bunch of nerfs to get him down and now he is only OK. Also nothing had changed about Garen for a while but as soon as Ez was nerfed boom Garen is now like #1 champ, why? Not because he was buffed but because people started playing him and learned how to break him (aka sunfire cape stacking).

The champs are sorta balanced but no one really experiments that much until some major nerfs hit and when they do all of a sudden people are trying out old champs and combos and finding they work really together.

People make tier lists and while some players hate them they do a good job of showing which are the best champs in the game currently.

Also Nunu isnt really that good for the reasons Ganelon said. He is rarely played in high ranked games because his ult is mostly useless. I mean if you get it off for the full duration and have a lot of AP its killer but rarely that happens.

The game is very different at lvl 30 and especially at higher ELO levels. Players are smarter and know what they are doing.

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... and then you have to account for twisted treeline, where the tier list changes completely. Mundo on SR is good, but on TTL he's amazing. Nunu on SR is worthless, but on TTL there's less enemy players, therefore less damage (to kill you before your ult finishes) and much less CC. Plus he has the best slow in the game that deals good damage to a single target AND Consume which means he just has to step in the jungle for a few seconds to get his health back. Nunu's underated when it comes to 3v3's.

Although Zileas has mentioned that flash might be removed and replaced with some new boots with flash as an active (probably like blink dagger in DotA), but that would be a huge nerf for Galio, Nunu, Fiddlesticks and a bunch of other champions. With any luck we'll get some other new summoner spells to replace it.

As for Urgot, he's pretty much the only exception in the new champs. Sona is the best support in the game (Soraka's been nerfed hard), Lux will probably be a game changer considering how many uses her abilities have, Vlad deals good damage but is very tanky, Xin Zhao is still beast and Garen is... well, Garen. Also the ninjas are amazingly fun.

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For every new champion you can name, there's at least one old one that's just as good, if perhaps a little less creative. For example, I never bothered to play Shaco before Akali was released, but they were almost identical in terms of functionality. On the other hand, they've yet to release a caster that compares to Anivia in terms of sheer game control or burst damage, and I doubt that they ever will.

Also, if you're talking about creativity alone, Miss Fortune and Swain are pretty much copies of other existing champions, and Galio has some very uninspired abilities. I do appreciate having so much variety, but you have to admit that not every idea Riot puts into production has been solid gold.

It's a real shame too, since I think that Urgot looks really cool and with his Q and E alone, he could be a ranged DPS character that I wouldn't find boring. I just can't bring myself to play him in his current state, and the buffs and reworks have not been forthcoming. As it stands, his gameplay is about as messed up as his appearance.

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Lux is awesome. That is all.

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I am thinking about trying it oot! Good/bad?

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Garebear, try getting to level 30 before you made judgments about who is overpowered and who isn't in this game.


Hah! I was level 30 back in the beta. But they had those resets and I only recently came back. I believe I came back right as Xin Zhao was being released.

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I haven't seen a single person play Jax in months, and I can't even remember a time when he was good post-rework.


I don't know who you're playing against, but people are retarded with him. Playing Jax as a fuckin' melee caster. That's a load of bull. He is a melee dps if I ever saw one. That doesn't mean he isn't rigged.

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Urgot is pretty bad.


*Cough cough hack* Do what?! Acid Hunter + Shield + Noxian Charge = Dead. Crap, Urgot can't be touched. His Acid Hunter homing device is what makes him rigged. You basically make it so they can't get away.

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As for Urgot, he's pretty much the only exception in the new champs.


Are we even playing the same game? Whenever I play Urgot, I'm unstoppable 99% of the time, and I'm not even that good at this game. Frick, what the hell is going on? Urgot is one of the worst of the new champs! And by worst, I mean most amazingly undefeatable in a fight! And why is undefeatable spelled wrong Google Chrome?! I'm pretty sure "undef" isn't a word!

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