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 Post subject: Re: Game Gabbin' News
PostPosted: Tue Apr 21, 2015 8:07 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Game Gabbin' News
PostPosted: Tue Apr 21, 2015 8:15 pm 
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Nah, that's just Aquabat. He has a disagreeable attitude towards everything. Things would get boring if everyone was cheerful all the time.

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 Post subject: Re: Game Gabbin' News
PostPosted: Tue Apr 21, 2015 8:30 pm 
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CN you weren't here when it happened

He bodaciously thinks every single person that supports GamerGate is a rapist or hates all women

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 Post subject: Re: Game Gabbin' News
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CN you don't understand, they actually thing that GG is a movement about ethics and not just a horrible well of nerdboy hate

this applies to multiple people

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 Post subject: Re: Game Gabbin' News
PostPosted: Tue Apr 21, 2015 8:55 pm 
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...didn't all of GG start because of someone's jealous ex?

I didn't follow GG, but I am pretty sure that is how it started. Some woman in the industry had a falling out with her crazy boyfriend who started spreading rumors when she got a new boyfriend. And at some point people started screaming about ethics in journalism, idk. "Nerdboy hate" seems to sum it up pretty well.

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 Post subject: Re: Game Gabbin' News
PostPosted: Tue Apr 21, 2015 8:59 pm 
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...didn't all of GG start because of someone's jealous ex?

I didn't follow GG, but I am pretty sure that is how it started. Some woman in the industry had a falling out with her crazy boyfriend who started spreading rumors when she got a new boyfriend. And at some point people started screaming about ethics in journalism, idk. "Nerdboy hate" seems to sum it up pretty well.


correct, Zoe Quinn was accused of sleeping of sleping with game journalists to get favorable reviews (of her completely free game, so yeah) and naturally she became the target of a concentrated hate campaign. The men who she was accused of sleeping with of course met no harassment, because of ethics

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 Post subject: Re: Game Gabbin' News
PostPosted: Tue Apr 21, 2015 9:06 pm 
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I love this meme

Yep, what has been melded into your mind is totally correct, all GamerGate supporters are rapists and misogynists and should be gassed and have their bodies thrown in incinerators

Gee that sounds familiar

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 Post subject: Re: Game Gabbin' News
PostPosted: Tue Apr 21, 2015 9:09 pm 
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So one crazy, jealous ex caused an internet shitstorm. This is why you don't stick your dick in/pound your mound on crazy.

Also at what point did anyone say anything that echoes Hitler's beliefs and practices? :psyduck: Unless I SERIOUSLY missed something.

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 Post subject: Re: Game Gabbin' News
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Never mind that you forgot to mention that Zoe used Robin Williams's death to promote her game, that several claims of hacking and doxxing were proven false, and that most of the doxxing and blacklisting was done by anti-Gamergate activists

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 Post subject: Re: Game Gabbin' News
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Is it okay to say that I just think all of this is stupid? Because I think all of this is stupid.

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Never mind that you forgot to mention that Zoe used Robin Williams's death to promote her game

That's pretty low, gotta be honest. but googling says that they had a release date set and it was just after Robin Williams passed, and given the subject of the game it would be seen as bad to withhold it or bad to release anyway, so she went with release anyway.

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 Post subject: Re: Game Gabbin' News
PostPosted: Tue Apr 21, 2015 9:22 pm 
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She basically used it to advertise. She wanted to make up a "pay what you can" model in the wake of his death. Of course, that didn't work and it was made free.

If you want to hear the rest of the story, you can find it here.

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 Post subject: Re: Game Gabbin' News
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And after the initial controversy surrounding Quinn, the focus was re-aimed on gaming news sites after their suspicious near-simultaneous "Gamers are Dead" articles. Mailing lists were uncovered among other things (Google GameJournoPros), and people then started boycotts against these sites and emailed advertisers asking them to not sponsor their sites. Gawker's lost seven figures' worth of revenue so far, I believe.

One of the biggest problems with GamerGate is Twitter, where spontaneity, trolls, and misinformation reign supreme. A troll co-opting a hashtag and claiming that it wants to subjugate all women is much more juicy, much more noticeable, and riles people up more than something such as a level-headed multi-paragraph post on Reddit or some other site about how game developers shouldn't have to

I used to be much more emotionally invested in GamerGate but I backed off when I realized I was dwelling on it too much. YouTube (among others) is going to eat dedicated gaming news sites alive if they haven't already, anyway, and YouTubers are even more beholden to their followers than game news sites are to theirs. If a YouTuber does something dishonest and people find out, the blowback will be significant and nigh-instantaneous. Much more accountability than a site like Kotaku that has (or used to have) mounds of advertisers to back it up.

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 Post subject: Re: Game Gabbin' News
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There's also the fact that people were aware of corruption in the gaming journalism industry before Quinn showed up. Notably Geoff Keighley, nicknamed "Dorito Pope" or "Dewrito Pope" after an interview with LevelSave.com featured excessive product placement of Mountain Dew and Doritos. Two years before Quinn showed up. This is how the whole "Mountain Dew and Doritos are gamer fuel" joke got started.

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 Post subject: Re: Game Gabbin' News
PostPosted: Tue Apr 21, 2015 10:35 pm 
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Very informative. Thanks, guys!

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 Post subject: Re: Game Gabbin' News
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I don't know if that was sincere and just a typo, or sarcastic. But I will say this. Don't be shits to each other. This goes for everyone. Not everyone who still supports the "gamergate" (god, that is a stupid name) issue is a horrible misogynist, and not everyone who is against it is a frothing Tumblrina.
Social issues become social identities, which means that invariably, if enough people decide that an issue is worth keeping track of, all sides will factionize. Create denominations, if you will. Arguing that everyone on either side is horrible for reasons xyz is like saying all members of a major religion do xyz details beyond just their core values, rather than having different groups initially formed around those core values that end up prioritizing different principles and social doctrine.


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