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 Post subject: Re: General Game Gabbin'
PostPosted: Sat Aug 29, 2015 5:49 pm 
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some point I'm gonna get a Battle Network game, which one should I start out with?


Depends on what you want to do with the series, do you want to start form the beginning? some games have story from previous games and whatnot, so if you want the entire series under your belt, start with the first one.

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 Post subject: Re: General Game Gabbin'
PostPosted: Sat Aug 29, 2015 5:54 pm 
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Mate, you have no idea what you're talking about. An emulator made for Wii U doesn't work on PC.

And you're not paying attention. I didn't say anything about the PC.

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false information

bodaciously none of the information presented was false. None of it. At all. Point out where anything said in that thread was false.

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once again, if you don't want to buy it because it's not a true port (which is a weird reason to not buy something honestly because why the fuck would anyone port an NES game to the PC when emulation is 100% the easier and less dumb option) then don't. but throwing a hissy fit over it, especially when you seem to be ignoring everything but the word "emulator", makes no sense at all.

You seem to clinging pretty hard to "if you don't like it don't buy it", which is a really stupid argument.

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 Post subject: Re: General Game Gabbin'
PostPosted: Sat Aug 29, 2015 5:59 pm 
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(which mind you is the one we should all collectively still be mad about because it was 60 dollars, pure emulation on a disk at that price, not even particularly good emulation, and passed around as a limited edition. meanwhile this is fifteen bucks and pretty well emulated.)

Actually it was $30 and came with a soundtrack CD and was the only way to get the SNES versions of the games. Still about $10 more than buying the NES Virtual Console versions, but not a bad deal. Main problem was it sold out in a day and anyone who wanted it had to pay double or triple to get it.


my little brother bought it brand new, day 1, because he expected it to be something different and it super was not, it was a full 60 bucks. like just the biggest bullshit nintendo ever pulled.

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 Post subject: Re: General Game Gabbin'
PostPosted: Sat Aug 29, 2015 6:02 pm 
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It seems like less an argument and more like... practical advice.

There is bodaciously no point in "arguing" anything here unless you just really like getting rustled over stupid shit. The only way to affect what a game company is to send them feedback directly or vote with your dollars.

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 Post subject: Re: General Game Gabbin'
PostPosted: Sat Aug 29, 2015 6:07 pm 
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vote with your dollars

And be in a huge minority, and miss the opportunity to convince other people not to buy it.

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 Post subject: Re: General Game Gabbin'
PostPosted: Sat Aug 29, 2015 6:28 pm 
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i am bodaciously going to buy it on every single thing i can purchase it for, specifically because of this conversation

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 Post subject: Re: General Game Gabbin'
PostPosted: Sat Aug 29, 2015 7:06 pm 
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Mate, you have no idea what you're talking about. An emulator made for Wii U doesn't work on PC.

And you're not paying attention. I didn't say anything about the PC.

What ARE we talking about then? Because I thought we were talking about the PC re-release of Megaman Legacy Collection.


And if you're still complaining about that, please provide one (1) valid reason why a port is better than an emulator.


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 Post subject: Re: General Game Gabbin'
PostPosted: Sat Aug 29, 2015 7:57 pm 
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What ARE we talking about then? Because I thought we were talking about the PC re-release of Megaman Legacy Collection.

We're talking about the re-release in general and I was waving towards the 3DS version (which, might I add, was delayed until long after the other versions for no specified reason) when referring to Virtual Console. If you want to focus on the fact that it's being released on consoles other than Nintendo, whatever, not like the other consoles don't have their own emulation. Now, I could've sworn that certain places sell ROMs for a price to be used on PC emulators, which avoids the illegality, but I could be completely wrong, and even if it's true, Steam, GoG, Humble etc. definitely do not offer that, which means there is no other option if you're so desperate to play Mega Man 1-6 legally on PC. Of course, Capcom could always release a port.

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And if you're still complaining about that, please provide one (1) valid reason why a port is better than an emulator.

Because they can actually enhance things instead of selling the same thing with a different skin?

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 Post subject: Re: General Game Gabbin'
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But then it wouldn't be a port but a remake.

I happen to have done a bit of NES programming last year and that shit is hard. You can't just port it to any other platform because it is very deeply tied to the NES hardware and architecture and is written in the lowest programming language next to straight up machine code. You can't port it to run on any other processor in the world without rewriting it all from the ground up. You'd also run into several game-breaking problems if you didn't emulate the console because you don't know just how optimized NES code can be and what kind of crazy hacks developers can use to get the results they want (and I've heard Mega-man's code was particularly complex).


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 Post subject: Re: General Game Gabbin'
PostPosted: Sat Aug 29, 2015 8:18 pm 
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Enhanced ports aren't simply remakes.

If NES programming is so hard, how did they release the Anniversary Collection before? Or how did almost any video game company make almost any NES port? (The Nintendo Classic NES series, for example.)
They're Capcom. They have billions of dollars. They can make it happen.

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 Post subject: Re: General Game Gabbin'
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But why? Older consoles are hundreds of times less demanding than current tech. Wrapping them in virtual machines or running them through an emulator is cheap and effective and works just fine and is a pretty streamlined process. The moment you change one line of code in an old ROM or start making game-specific pseudo-native game engines you have to spend thousands on debugging. One flawless emulator is easier to make and can be reused for any game from the same console without having to test every game that thoroughly or make adjustments. At the end of the day, lazy or not, game studios are businesses.


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 Post subject: Re: General Game Gabbin'
PostPosted: Sat Aug 29, 2015 8:55 pm 
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aqua the straight up fact of the matter is you have no idea what you're talking about. you're complaining about something that A) is dumb to complain about in the first place, and B) you do not fully understand and seem to refuse to even listen to things that would help you understand

NES emulation is difficult to do because it's archaic, and doing it properly is hard because it's so fucking old. Proper emulation isn't 60fps, fuckin' full on no issues. Proper emulation is actually emulating the exact hardware, down to all it's flaws and issues.

that's the reason this collection came out, that was the stated purpose, that's what they said it would be. not an enhancement, not a port, but a version of the games on modern platforms that would play as close to the originals, on NES in like the fuckin' late 80's, as possible.

what you want is exactly the opposite of what they said and stated they wanted to sell, which was never made anything but clear.

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 Post subject: Re: General Game Gabbin'
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And how does that matter? Just because they pointed it out doesn't make it any less stupid. You are bodaciously selling glitches and framedrops as a feature.

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 Post subject: Re: General Game Gabbin'
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AquaBat wrote:
And how does that matter? Just because they pointed it out doesn't make it any less stupid. You are bodaciously selling glitches and framedrops as a feature.


well firstly, them pointing it out, and you complaining that it's not what you wanted as if what you wanted would ever really happen, is in fact the point.

secondly, for people who actually care about the games, who have nostalgia for them, who have an appreciation for the originals, and even people who care about video games being well preserved as they were for the future, this is pretty nice. proper emulation is hard. it's nice to have something that's closer to the NES than just grabbing an emulator off the internet.

if you don't want that, don't buy it. but don't go around complaining that it's just oh such a big disappointment that someone on reddit found out about shit that was already known, and they're mostly wrong about.

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 Post subject: Re: General Game Gabbin'
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