AWKWARD ZOMBIE

I can't say, since I haven't played it myself yet--Steam is being slower than frozen molasses right now. But apparently one of the producers himself said that the game doesn't live up to his expectations. Since it had a lot of problems in development, there might be some things that were shoddily done.

I'm...trying to be optimistic, but it's hard.

from the bit ive played so far, yea its very linear. the kotaku review was pretty spot on tho you can explore the city to an extent in the beginning when you start your first side missions and it feels KINDA open then

its just being average, nothing spectacular. this garretts personality doesn't really match up to the old one either. its like a 55% match

Yeah, that's kind of what I expect from a 7/10 game.



:c
B-but he's Garrett.

yea and he makes snarky comments but he doesnt have the same feel as the old garrett

One of the Ghost players I like to watch on Youtube is doing a blind run of Thief on his channel. I wonder how he'll like the game.

ghost is not touching enemies at all right

Ghosting is taking no damage, giving no damage, and not alerting guards to your presence.

The full rules are listed on the Eidos Thief forums:



There are two other modes of Ghost that include even more rules--Strict Ghost was the original idea, which is not as forgiving as normal Ghost. Supreme Ghost doesn't allow even the smallest level of alert from the AI, and you have to clean up all traces of your presence: doors closed and re-locked, if they can be re-locked, and all keys that were pickpocketed from guards must be dropped on the guards' patrol routes.

you are aware they actually have rating systems in the new game itself? like ghost, opportunist, and predator. thats what i was refering to not the old system

I know about the rating systems, but you said:

in response to me talking about one of the Ghosters, who play according to the rules I posted. These people played according to Ghost and the rules set by Ghost long before this game was in development.

If you were referring to the game then why did you ask for clarification?

cause the game itself gives ratings, but doesnt say how to get said ratings

opportunist "you used the environment more than anything else"


as opposed to what? running around willy nilly getting seen?

Opportunist is probably things like dousing flames, pinching candles, throwing bottles, and crashing chandeliers. Predator is attacking AIs with either the blackjack or arrows, like using a gas arrow on a dog to knock it out, and ghost...I'm not sure what the game recognizes and considers ghosting. Maybe the number of guards left awake and un-alerted at the end of the level.

Anyway, I finished chapter four before deciding to call it good for the night. I'm actually not having too bad of a time with the game, though I'm guilty of being a horrible, terrible save-scummer. I think I picked that up as a result of watching Ghost playthroughs. The 'oodles' of loading screens, as one of the reviewers put it, hasn't distracted me too much. They made it sound a LOT worse than it is. I don't remember getting a single loading screen inside the architect's manor, and the loading screens for the rest of the level were usually preceded or followed by cutscenes.
The only times I found the loading screens tiresome was when I was exploring the hub and loaded into a new district, then accidentally backtracked to the previous district via a different path. That meant I had to turn around and go BACK to the area I wanted to be in and deal with the loading screen there.

There ARE a few more cutscenes than I would like, and the glowy-flashback bits with Erin are eye-rolling, at best. What annoys me most is that her story arc with Garrett wound up with her being stuffed into a fridge aka getting killed off to ADVANCE THE PLOT. That is something I thought game devs would KNOW not to do, because it's so tired and over-used and a complete cop-out on their part. I guess Squeenix never learns.

The map is surprisingly useless, which I am finding very frustrating. The quest markers kind of help, but focusing only on quest markers makes you miss a lot of bonus material. Right now I'm trying to find Oxheart Perry's Pawn Shop for a sidequest, and I can see that it's in the Eel...whatever district, but it's up near the rooftops and I can't see how to get up there. I might have to use some rope arrows.

Speaking of rope arrows, I spent more than two hours trying to find the vendor in this game, getting lost in the redlight district for at least one of those hours. I was looking for a shop, when the vendor was actually some dude in a trenchcoat huddled outside the Crippled Burrick. At least I got all of the tools I need to rob everything in sight. I think.

I think the next level I have to go to is the Moira Asylum. Despite being spoiled about what to expect in there, I am...scared. A big scaredy cat diaper baby. If the AIs in that level are anything like the Shalebridge Cradle in Deadly Shadows, they're going to probably make me piss myself. Figuratively. Even though I know the game devs completely copped out on making an original horror level for this game.

Edit: Also, a question for anyone else playing the game: at the very beginning of the game, does anyone remember if both of Garrett's eyes were brown? I SEEM to remember it being that way, but I can't say for certain. Because I'm thinking that the glowing portal...thing at the beginning is what gave him his blue-ish right eye. Also it might be the reason he's getting weird glowy visions of Erin and seeing flashbacks of her anime-level tragic backstory, even though he wouldn't have been around to see ANY of that. Maybe when Erin fell into that portal thingy it absorbed her conscious and that conscious was transferred to Garrett and his...eye.
I guess this is their solution for ret-conning all of the previous Thief games with a reboot but still wanting Garrett to have those mismatched eyes of his. Now he has a MAGIC eye instead of a mechanical one.
I'm also very disappointed in the absence of the Hammerites and the Pagans. I guess the game hand-waved them by saying the Watch and the rebels chased away all the other factions.

to your question about the eyes

they were, the blast thingy changed you cause now you can use focus.

Got Thief 1 modded and running. About taffing time.

Thief Gold still has one of my favorite lines of all time from the games:

"They just don't make bears like they used to."

Isn't even possible for me to play this new game. The stuttering is insane, even when I have the lowest graphical settings possible and my game can tolerate other games on normal or high settings, so I don't know they are just bad at code or if it's so high quality in graphics that not even good computers can handle it, only super computers.