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 Post subject: Re: Overwatch: Blizzard does a Pew Pew shooty game
PostPosted: Thu Jun 09, 2016 1:23 pm 
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Yeah you really gotta watch out for snipers/McCrees/people that can focus you down when you jump in. The shield kinda helps isolate the damage you take but it isn't much at all.

To be fair though I don't really play against high-skilled players :pseudo:
I'm the type of player that wouldn't really play the competitive/ranked mode that often, unless I was actually on a team with friends.

Did Blizz ever decide how they wanted the queue system to work? Are they sticking with "Dynamic Queue" for ranked? I'd be fine with that as long as the matchmaking is fair and it doesn't take eons to find a game.

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 Post subject: Re: Overwatch: Blizzard does a Pew Pew shooty game
PostPosted: Thu Jun 09, 2016 2:14 pm 
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for winston, he's a spacemaker, as well as kind've backstabber you could say. one winston would bodaciously jump over hte entire team, go dark for like 15 seconds while the team forgets he existed, and then just maul the mercy to death. you ult when you need to actually KNOCK people away, his ult isn't purely to kill. it's perfect for defending the cart or a point becuase you can basically just punt someone away so they can't cap, or isolate a high value target for one of your damaging people

if you just leeroy jenkins jump into the middle of a group, your gonna have a bad time

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 Post subject: Re: Overwatch: Blizzard does a Pew Pew shooty game
PostPosted: Thu Jun 09, 2016 2:50 pm 
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Winston is a lot like Malphite from League: great in a group but if you don't have backup for when you go in you're pretty much screwed.

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 Post subject: Re: Overwatch: Blizzard does a Pew Pew shooty game
PostPosted: Thu Jun 09, 2016 4:11 pm 
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for winston, he's a spacemaker, as well as kind've backstabber you could say. one winston would bodaciously jump over hte entire team, go dark for like 15 seconds while the team forgets he existed, and then just maul the mercy to death. you ult when you need to actually KNOCK people away, his ult isn't purely to kill. it's perfect for defending the cart or a point becuase you can basically just punt someone away so they can't cap, or isolate a high value target for one of your damaging people

if you just leeroy jenkins jump into the middle of a group, your gonna have a bad time


Thing is for that kind of role I'd prefer a Reaper or something 9/10 because they get the job done much quicker. Winston is a pretty weird character being a tank that wants to backline. I think you should usually play him with another tank.


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 Post subject: Re: Overwatch: Blizzard does a Pew Pew shooty game
PostPosted: Thu Jun 09, 2016 4:40 pm 
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I've been getting my booty kicked in the random character brawl so far because my luck gives our team constellations like 3x mercy + 3 defensive characters constantly.
Or "Oh, you've only got seconds left to push the payload? Here, you'll be a Widowmaker now.".

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 Post subject: Re: Overwatch: Blizzard does a Pew Pew shooty game
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Syobon wrote:
iamthelordhitman wrote:
for winston, he's a spacemaker, as well as kind've backstabber you could say. one winston would bodaciously jump over hte entire team, go dark for like 15 seconds while the team forgets he existed, and then just maul the mercy to death. you ult when you need to actually KNOCK people away, his ult isn't purely to kill. it's perfect for defending the cart or a point becuase you can basically just punt someone away so they can't cap, or isolate a high value target for one of your damaging people

if you just leeroy jenkins jump into the middle of a group, your gonna have a bad time


Thing is for that kind of role I'd prefer a Reaper or something 9/10 because they get the job done much quicker. Winston is a pretty weird character being a tank that wants to backline. I think you should usually play him with another tank.


well they were, they had a russian bodybuilder machoman randy savage in the front line.

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 Post subject: Re: Overwatch: Blizzard does a Pew Pew shooty game
PostPosted: Thu Jun 09, 2016 9:11 pm 
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During my time in beta (only in beta still don't have the game proper yet :( ) I found that Winston's shield is better used as an offensive tool than a defensive one. Enemies can't shoot out of it and I found that most enemies will prioritize the big monkey who put it down rather than trying to kill his shield or get out of it to kill his teammates. This creates an opening for your team to go to town on the enemies who can't do anything/have to put in a lot more effort to put in damage. Your shield is also an effective juking tool (just weave in and out of it while the other guy is on the wrong side, especially effective since your gun goes through your shield)

also fun fact: new trendy topic on the Offical Overwatch forums is now "Nerf Widowmaker" and the devs have recently confirmed they're running some tests with her. Devs also confirmed McCree nerfs (to his FTH mostly) and D.va buffs, what do you all think?


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 Post subject: Re: Overwatch: Blizzard does a Pew Pew shooty game
PostPosted: Thu Jun 09, 2016 9:48 pm 
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I agree with the McCree nerfs because holy crap, he shouldn't be killing tanks that fast. D.Va needs buffs too, her mech guns are pretty much useless outside of point blank range. I like the rest of her skills but it's super weird how her dinky little pistol does higher, more consistent damage (with no distance falloff) than a giant mech's shotgun blasts.

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 Post subject: Re: Overwatch: Blizzard does a Pew Pew shooty game
PostPosted: Fri Jun 10, 2016 2:28 am 
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only problem i have with widow is that her charge rate is too high. dont make it like the sniper from tf2 but i mean just a little bit slower

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 Post subject: Re: Overwatch: Blizzard does a Pew Pew shooty game
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I thought DVa was fine, sure she needs to get in real close but she's one of the most mobile characters period and her ultimate is super powerful.

McCree I also thought was fine, he is a strong char for sure but he needs to get in close to deal absurd damage and he's pretty squishy without good defense options.

Widowmaker is too strong in the hands of a really good player though. Imo if she can't instakill most of the cast with a bodyshot she'd still be very strong.


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 Post subject: Re: Overwatch: Blizzard does a Pew Pew shooty game
PostPosted: Fri Jun 10, 2016 10:18 am 
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I just wanna be able to play Zenyatta for longer than 10 seconds at a time.

Squishy as hell, no form of escape/defense other than his ult, and needs to be out in the open to do anything useful. He can be really good in the right hands but man, I do not have those hands. Especially if they have any form of sniper or long-ranged characters.

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 Post subject: Re: Overwatch: Blizzard does a Pew Pew shooty game
PostPosted: Fri Jun 10, 2016 1:34 pm 
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Syobon wrote:
I thought DVa was fine, sure she needs to get in real close but she's one of the most mobile characters period and her ultimate is super powerful.


4 second charge time with a big "GET THE FUCK AWAY" sign that can be blocked by the thinnest of objects (Source), along with being one of only two ults in the game that can kill it's user (the other is Pharah's) is not something I'd describe as super powerful


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 Post subject: Re: Overwatch: Blizzard does a Pew Pew shooty game
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her ult is fine, annoyingly large radius but like boom said if you can get around a corner of a thing yer fine

i actually dont think she /really/ needs a buff. perhaps make it so her pistol isnt so goddamn good. dont buff the mech, nerf the gun. that'll make it actually balance it so that she doesnt WANT her mech to die.

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 Post subject: Re: Overwatch: Blizzard does a Pew Pew shooty game
PostPosted: Fri Jun 10, 2016 6:25 pm 
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Seeing how Ryuga wo gofuckyourself goes through walls and is also pretty huge AF, I don't see why D.Va's ult can't go through objects in exchange for some range.

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 Post subject: Re: Overwatch: Blizzard does a Pew Pew shooty game
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iamthelordhitman wrote:
her ult is fine, annoyingly large radius but like boom said if you can get around a corner of a thing yer fine

i actually dont think she /really/ needs a buff. perhaps make it so her pistol isnt so goddamn good. dont buff the mech, nerf the gun. that'll make it actually balance it so that she doesnt WANT her mech to die.


she really does, she is far and away the worst character in the game by a large margin actually. Even during Open Beta, everyone knew she was shit and Winston did everything she wanted to do 10x better. Her many flaws include:

-has a critbox the size of mount everest (read: her entire center mass is a headshot zone), this means that although her health bar says 550 health it's actually more like 250
-her mech has a horribly shit weapon that has an effective range of about 5 cm in front of her face and slows you to a crawl to boot, meaning it is completely ineffective against anybody not named Helen Keller
-defense matrix is basically a slightly longer lasting Zarya bubble that only defends her front and disables her ability to shoot.
-to add to the list of "ways D.va's ult is booty", it can not only be blocked by lamp-posts, but also by Mei walls and Reinhardt shields. Furthermore, Reinhardt can actually CHARGE the mech while it's about to blow up and push it away from his team and if pushes it into a wall he can still live if he puts up his shield in time. bodaciously no other ult in the game has more ways to get rid of it than D.va's, it is by far the least impactful ult in the game.

She's was and probs still is a great low-level pubstomper but once people actually realize "hey this chick's headshot box is super huge and she can't do anything once we master the ancient art of walking backwards" she is completely and utterly useless compared to every other tank.


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