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 Post subject: Re: Trade Hatress 2 (The TF2 thread)
PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2013 9:58 am 
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Man if you're having trouble against pyro with scout you're approaching the situation wrong. Stay out of his flamethrower and airblast range and chip away at him with your guns and there's bodaciously nothing he can do. Try not to fight him in close quarters too, that makes it a lot easier.


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 Post subject: Re: Trade Hatress 2 (The TF2 thread)
PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2013 10:19 am 
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its not that I have an special amount of trouble against pyros usually

like I said before

losing control of my characters isnt fun, and unlike explosive classes, it doesnt take a special amount of skill to do so

pyros are annoying because of the various factors that seem weak and terrible on their own coming together to create a very powerful jack-of-all-trades with next to no weaknesses, of which the few he has can be countered by him relatively easily

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 Post subject: Re: Trade Hatress 2 (The TF2 thread)
PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2013 10:22 am 
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His weakness is guns. He's utterly useless at anything but close range, except for some light harassment with the flare guns.

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losing control of my characters isnt fun

This I can understand, it's the reason I hate mini-sentries, but at least the airblast has a much shorter range than that.


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 Post subject: Re: Trade Hatress 2 (The TF2 thread)
PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2013 12:59 pm 
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if you're within airblast range and a scout?
the pyro is fucking playing with you because you got in a range you never should have even considered

someone actively trying to kill you would just light you on fire

so you're complaining that someone took the stupider route there

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 Post subject: Re: Trade Hatress 2 (The TF2 thread)
PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2013 1:04 pm 
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This is getting really out of hand.
I ask one last question.

Glocktor: Have you personally attempted to do any of those things as Pyro?

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 Post subject: Re: Trade Hatress 2 (The TF2 thread)
PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2013 1:18 pm 
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Galaxy Man wrote:
if you're within airblast range and a scout?
the pyro is fucking playing with you because you got in a range you never should have even considered

someone actively trying to kill you would just light you on fire

so you're complaining that someone took the stupider route there


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losing control of my character isnt fun

I'm genuinely sorry if it seems that I've presented another argument but I'm not sure how much more emphasis I can put on this given how you take what I say at the most literal, strict definition you can

You seem to think I'm basing what I say off a single, solitary encounter with a single pyro when I've said otherwise continuously

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Glocktor: Have you personally attempted to do any of those things as Pyro?


Of course

Its hard not to do well as a pyro, especially if I'm using the degreaser

but then again aside from the phlog nobody doesn't use the degreaser

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 Post subject: Re: Trade Hatress 2 (The TF2 thread)
PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2013 1:21 pm 
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We should have a Pyro Duel sometime.
I don't use fire.
At all.

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 Post subject: Re: Trade Hatress 2 (The TF2 thread)
PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2013 1:42 pm 
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Dr. Glocktor wrote:
Galaxy Man wrote:
if you're within airblast range and a scout?
the pyro is fucking playing with you because you got in a range you never should have even considered

someone actively trying to kill you would just light you on fire

so you're complaining that someone took the stupider route there


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losing control of my character isnt fun

I genuinely don't get it. The Pyro can't kill you when he does this AND wastes ammo.
So what is so horribly frustrating about that? That you get mildly inconvenienced for a few seconds?

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 Post subject: Re: Trade Hatress 2 (The TF2 thread)
PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2013 1:49 pm 
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D-vid wrote:
The Pyro can't kill you when he does this AND wastes ammo.


Degreaser makes this a null issue

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So what is so horribly frustrating about that? That you get mildly inconvenienced for a few seconds?


I hate losing control of my character

Its frustrating at best, why-the-fuck-can-he-chain-airblast-me at worst, and completely unfun the entire way through, especially if its in any sort of enclosed space

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 Post subject: Re: Trade Hatress 2 (The TF2 thread)
PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2013 1:52 pm 
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But he still can't actually hurt you as long as he keeps airblasting you. bodaciously. As long as there's no pit in which he pushes you all he does is fuck around.
During which you can still shoot him. Fairly easy too if it's in an enclosed space because you don't move too much from the airblast.

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 Post subject: Re: Trade Hatress 2 (The TF2 thread)
PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2013 2:01 pm 
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Odd that you didn't mention the Manmelter, an infinite ammo flare gun with a faster projectile that crits uf you've helped your team like anyone should.

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 Post subject: Re: Trade Hatress 2 (The TF2 thread)
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Odd that you didn't mention the Manmelter, an infinite ammo flare gun with a faster projectile that crits uf you've helped your team like anyone should.


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 Post subject: Re: Trade Hatress 2 (The TF2 thread)
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I like the Manmelter, but I wish there was some kind of reloading animation.
It just doesn't feel right with its firing rate and all that.

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 Post subject: Re: Trade Hatress 2 (The TF2 thread)
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D-vid wrote:
But he still can't actually hurt you as long as he keeps airblasting you. bodaciously. As long as there's no pit in which he pushes you all he does is fuck around.
During which you can still shoot him. Fairly easy too if it's in an enclosed space because you don't move too much from the airblast.


Its not a matter of me being unable to get around it

I find the fact that airblast is spammable is incredibly annoying because I hate losing control of my character and the pyro is the only class that can consistently lock down my mobility for very little cost

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Odd that you didn't mention the Manmelter, an infinite ammo flare gun with a faster projectile that crits uf you've helped your team like anyone should.


I've never seen a pyro using the manmelter have the accuracy to use it or the brains to use the alternate use

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 Post subject: Re: Trade Hatress 2 (The TF2 thread)
PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2013 2:17 pm 
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Can't you like

Double jump out of it and run away?

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