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 Post subject: Lady looks like a dude
PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 3:27 pm 
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Since this forum is called why does this comic suck, I assume you're fishing for criticism, so here's some:

You obviously have no clue how to draw anything female.

And while this is a common malady among the overwhelmingly male world of videogame webcomics, it's especially weird because you claim to be a girl, a woman... some type of female... thing. Why, in that case, does your self-insert character look like a man? I would never have known it was supposed to be a girl had I not seen "Katie" in the corner, but even then there was no "oh, now I see it" or even, "huh, I guess it could go either way" - SHE LOOKETH LIKE A FREAKIN' DUDE.

Now, I don't mean you need to wear a PANK dress and put on lipstick and run off to the Magical Princess kingdom on your magical unicorn pony, here - believe me, I'm a big fan of girls who don't put themselves into traditional gender roles/dress, but they should still, y'know, look like girls. The problem here isn't your avatar's plain clothes, or her utter lack of tiddies (although if you have any in real life, drawing them might help), it's the face. Women's faces do not look like men's faces. Your character's face... The strong chin, the wide face, the eyes - YIKES. If you don't actually look like that (and if you do, I'm sorry - that's not an apology, I'm just sorry, it must suck constantly being mistaken for a guy), working from a photograph might help. Even if you do, you need to work on girls. Franziska Von Karma's face looked so mannish that if I didn't know who she was already, I'd assume it was a foppish guy. Even in the Samus strip, going back to it the face doesn't quite look right - I guess I was distracted the first time by the surprisingly well-drawn chest (at least you don't have that all-too-common problem).

Since I thought your "WHO DO I THINK I AM, SCOTT KURTZ" comment was pretty funny, even though the comic above it wasn't, I'll use PvP as an example.

http://www.pvponline.com/2007/09/05/sep-5-2007/

Look at Marcy. Dresses like a dude might, no tiddies in sight, non-girly type of girl. But I'd never mistake her for a guy. It's all about the FACE. Even in Kurtz's cartoony style where heads are not shaped like real heads, the distinction is quite clear. Girl faces are shaped and proportioned a bit differently - learn how to draw it, please. Oh, and this is just an example - I don't mean you should emulate PvP's art. Yikes, no. Please don't.

Work on heads/faces in general. Even as a guy your author character looks weird. Weird expressions, hair that does not resemble real hair, and what is with that spot on the face?

You have serious potential. You have a fun art style if it were cleaned up some. I liked the pokemon strips and the samus "raised by birds" one got a true guffaw out of me, and a few others were pretty funny. Work on improving and this comic could be pretty good - it's already better than a lot of the utter garbage in the webcomics world - the bullshit fantasy comics, the Penny Arcade ripoffs, the VGCats ripoffs - and those people are generally pricks who never EVER improve anything. Don't be like them. Don't just say you can't draw x or you hate drawing y - draw the things you hate until you can draw them, because you'll have to, and when you dodge, it shows. Don't just say your strip is usually not funny - think about what's funny and what isn't, and why. And please make your girls look like girls - the way they are now is frankly cringe-inducing.

Only posting because I honestly liked some of your strips--

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Tim? As in CAD Tim?


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Soooo....if Katie had a rack, you could tell the difference? Because I never had trouble distinguishing.

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No, not as in CAD Tim. CAD is awful. I'm nobody famous.

And the rack thing was an aside. As I said, the face is the issue.


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No, yeah, the female form is something that consistantly eludes me, particularly the face. Everything I draw is pretty ambiguously male, and it's something I definitely have to work on -- I don't even know what it is, but something about how I tend to draw faces doesn't lend itself well to...femininity. I'll focus on that at some point soon then!

But thank you for criticizing! Everyone should criticize!


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Zomnambulist wrote:
No, yeah, the female form is something that consistantly eludes me, particularly the face. Everything I draw is pretty ambiguously male, and it's something I definitely have to work on -- I don't even know what it is, but something about how I tend to draw faces doesn't lend itself well to...femininity. I'll focus on that at some point soon then!

But thank you for criticizing! Everyone should criticize!
ur comix r gay


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L Lawliet wrote:
Zomnambulist wrote:
No, yeah, the female form is something that consistantly eludes me, particularly the face. Everything I draw is pretty ambiguously male, and it's something I definitely have to work on -- I don't even know what it is, but something about how I tend to draw faces doesn't lend itself well to...femininity. I'll focus on that at some point soon then!

But thank you for criticizing! Everyone should criticize!
ur comix r gay

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L Lawliet wrote:
Zomnambulist wrote:
No, yeah, the female form is something that consistantly eludes me, particularly the face. Everything I draw is pretty ambiguously male, and it's something I definitely have to work on -- I don't even know what it is, but something about how I tend to draw faces doesn't lend itself well to...femininity. I'll focus on that at some point soon then!

But thank you for criticizing! Everyone should criticize!
ur comix r gay


Win.

I don't pay much attention to Katie's anatomy when she draws humans, I just think it's her style because she has a very unique loopy stringy feel to it which I like, which is one of the main reasons I read this comic.
Oh yes, and they're funny, too.

It's funny, because I think she draws females alright but her males look girly. I think this issue of 'girl looks like boy' is more of a personal issue.
Or not.

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Maybe its me, but I can tell the difference between guys and girls in Katie's comics, apparently that may be just me.

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Maybe its me, but I can tell the difference between guys and girls in Katie's comics, apparently that may be just me.


I can tell because I konw the characters :awesome:

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L Lawliet wrote:
Zomnambulist wrote:
No, yeah, the female form is something that consistantly eludes me, particularly the face. Everything I draw is pretty ambiguously male, and it's something I definitely have to work on -- I don't even know what it is, but something about how I tend to draw faces doesn't lend itself well to...femininity. I'll focus on that at some point soon then!

But thank you for criticizing! Everyone should criticize!
ur comix r gay


11/10 i would lol again


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I thought she drew herself as a man because she was trying to be modest.

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R U THE REEL KATIE?

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Merlin wrote:
I thought she drew herself as a man because she was trying to be modest.
No, she draws herself as a man to satirize the obsession that the average comic fan has with manliness. It's a critical look at femininity and the overtly masculine feel of most comics. Katie is the Susan B. Anthony of comics, and Awkward Zombie is her skewering and provacative commentary on the field.


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Actually the way she draws herself reminds me a lot of how my best friend draws herself. I guess I just figured Katie wanted to come across as.. herself. Not some bubbly ditz who is noticeable for her chest and other female.. necessities. My friend also draws herself practically flat-chested and without curves, like Katie does, except my friend doesn't have the scruffy hair.

I'd prefer to be able to draw people without such dramatic curves, because otherwise I draw all women or femme-boys. Ar rar rar rar.

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