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 Post subject: Re: Science is interesting
PostPosted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 11:34 am 
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 Post subject: Re: Science is interesting
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I only know the basic concept of this school of thought, but from what Ive understood, it doesnt actually matter wether or not this reality is "real" or not, since the idea of what is real and what isnt is so subjective that as long as the universe follows its own laws, every universe is a universe unto itself.

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 Post subject: Re: Science is interesting
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Terraem wrote:
It's stuff like this that makes me wish I knew more and could understand things like this.

The conundrum is that you can never understand it all, this for example would probably require a life-time dedication to the study of physics to fully understand, and to do that you'd have to abandon the study of other domains.


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I keep tabs on the relevant stuff but honestly things in the quantum level seem like the exact sort of knowledge that drives things such as the Cthulhu universe.

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 Post subject: Re: Science is interesting
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I keep tabs on the relevant stuff but honestly things in the quantum level seem like the exact sort of knowledge that drives things such as the Cthulhu universe.

Sure, but see it this way: Things were always like this wether you knew about it or not. Does knowing about it really change your life in any way at all?

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 11:44 am 
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iF WE KNOW IT MAYBE WE CAN CONTROL IT AND BEN THE UNIVERSE TO OUR WILL.

Edit: Wow okay capslock thanks a lot.

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 Post subject: Re: Science is interesting
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I doubt it, if we are in a simulation, we can only utilize it the way it was designed to be controlled, only the controller would be able to change the universe in any real way, we're only able to harness the built in features, which we are already doing to some extents, like atomic power.

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 Post subject: Re: Science is interesting
PostPosted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 11:53 am 
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The Geminid meteor shower is supposed to peak tonight, between 2 and 3 A.M. Gemini is close to Orion's shoulder (Betelgeuse) so look for Orion and the meteors should be nearby.
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I would say a simulation would fail the moment the subjects realize they're in a simulation.
These people are going to get our plugs pulled for the sake of curiosity.

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 Post subject: Re: Science is interesting
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Terraem wrote:
It's stuff like this that makes me wish I knew more and could understand things like this.

Same, that's way I'm already studying as much physics as I can (I already understand a fair bit of astronomy and can explain some basic quantum physics such as fundamental interactions, quarks and some other subatomic particles though unfortunately I lack the maths required to properly understand what all that stuff actually means) and I want to major in it.

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 Post subject: Re: Science is interesting
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I would say a simulation would fail the moment the subjects realize they're in a simulation.
These people are going to get our plugs pulled for the sake of curiosity.
The simulation of a universe is much more interesting than a basic psychological experiment, I'm sure a few beings achieving self-awareness doesn't matter much in the grand scheme of things.


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 Post subject: Re: Science is interesting
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Also who's to say all those deities in legends aren't just people who became self-aware? CHIM IS REAL!

Or they're Game Masters.

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 Post subject: Re: Science is interesting
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The thing is that article is obviously a huge simplification that tells us nothing about the actual experiment, except this
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Using the historical development of lattice gauge theory technology as a guide, we assume that our universe is an early numerical simulation with unimproved Wilson fermion discretization and investigate potentially-observable consequences.


But I have no clue what that means and I assume you guys don't either.

Of course I don't know the exact things, but the reasoning is quite simple to understand.
They are starting at the assumption that our universe is a certain kind of simulation, one that we use too. Then they test for certain things that are always existing in said kind of simulation to see if the assumption is possible.

Anyway, using simple deduction we can come to the conclusion that at worst we're the only layer of simulation there is, not a simulation within a simulation within a ...

The deduction goes as follows:
A simulation is always less complex than the universe in which it is created.
We are now testing if we are a simulation.
Since we would be less complex than our parent universe, they tested their being a simulation long ago.
If they were a simulation they would have stopped their simulation, ergo us.

You can go further and conclude that there is no simulation at all if you say that if the parent universe found out one answer or the other they would have stopped the simulation, so we would have long stopped existing if we were a simulation.

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 Post subject: Re: Science is interesting
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If they were a simulation they would have stopped their simulation, ergo us.

I don't understand you're reasoning behind this step, how can you know this with any kind of certainty?


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 Post subject: Re: Science is interesting
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If the reason to make a simulation is to find out if you're a simulation then there's no reason to keep it running after you have your answer.

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