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I believe that everything is just left to chance, it was pure chance that we evolved, that we lived, that we didn't die. Everything has a ranging probability that nothing divine interferererererereres with.

So yeah, when you think about it, it's like, 1/9999999999999999999999 that I'm able to type this.

You greatly underestimate the probabilities.

I forgot where I read it once, but I remember someone trying to calculate the odds of life happening, and it was something like...

2.4 x 10 ^ ( 1 x 10 ^ 1,000,000,000,000,000,000 )

AKA... "lol"

If you actually typed it out longhand, it comes up to several hundred (maybe it was even thousands?) pages of zeros.

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Missed a lot of posts in a short while.
First, Karylin, when talking about Protestant Churches only, don't say Christian Churches. Its akin to saying that Asia was under British rule for too long when you're really only talking about India.
Secondly, at least in Ireland, the idea that someone would know about sex before they know about contraceptives, just from friends and media, is absolutely absurd! It could be different in North America though, considering how sparsely populated it is in the non-major cities. But here, if someone didn't use (or try to use) a contraceptive, then its always because they forgot, they tried something else (such as pulling out), or they just didn't care. Even in places where contraceptives are less talked about, to say that those three reasons still aren't often the reason is ridiculous!
Thirdly, Meyou, you didn't actually explain what conditions a divorce should be allowed, you just said if a judge allows it, which explains nothing.

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So yeah, when you think about it, it's like, 1/9999999999999999999999 that I'm able to type this.

Incalculatable. Unless you mean these specific events at this specific points in time, which are entirely unique and unrepeatable (simply, 1/infinity), then it all depends on whether the universe is, in fact infinite in size or infinite in form.

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2.4 * 10 ^ (1 * 10 ^ 1,000,000,000,000,000,000 )

Hang on... a 100% chance is defined as 1. How the hell are you meant to have a 2.4*10^1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000% chance of it happening? That's on top of the 1*10 part of the calculation! You really managed to screw up your syntax there!
Plus, like I said, it'd be impossible to calculate.


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Missed a lot of posts in a short while.
First, Karylin, when talking about Protestant Churches only, don't say Christian Churches.

You can blame it on humans being naturally geocentric.

It's also due to my church upbringing. In the protestant church, "We are Christians, and they are Catholics." The protestant church refuses to acknowledge other branches as being christians, and insists that they are pagans and heathens.

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Secondly, at least in Ireland, the idea that someone would know about sex before they know about contraceptives, just from friends and media, is absolutely absurd! It could be different in North America though, considering how sparsely populated it is in the non-major cities. But here, if someone didn't use (or try to use) a contraceptive, then its always because they forgot, they tried something else (such as pulling out), or they just didn't care. Even in places where contraceptives are less talked about, to say that those three reasons still aren't often the reason is ridiculous!

It is different in America, because contraceptives are largely censored heavier than sex in America. There are a lot of adults who have no fucking clue what a condom even is.

I can point to dozens of fully grown adults who over the years, have told me that you can get pregnant from oral sex and anal sex (and they aren't talking about sperm getting leaked over into the uterus).

There is no such thing as sex-ed in America. We have "Abstinence-Only" sex-ed. Which basically means, they tell people nothing, and don't explain to people how their bodies work. Hell, even I barely know how my body works. Everything I have learned was from the Internet and wikipedia, so I'm sure there is massive gaps in my knowledge of how my body works.



Also, minor change of topic... the sparsely populated thing is a misconception that other countries have of America, in part due to television seems to talk about only New York and Hollywood. Yeah we have a lot of empty areas, but people in America typically gravitate to areas with a population density of something around 700 people per square mile (around 250 per square km).

Yeah it's definitely not New York city, but it's hardly sparsely populated. It's called Suburbia.

Saying America is sparsely populated, is like saying Dublin is the only city in Ireland... Wait, Dublin isn't the only city in Ireland is it?

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2.4 * 10 ^ (1 * 10 ^ 1,000,000,000,000,000,000 )

Hang on... a 100% chance is defined as 1. How the hell are you meant to have a 2.4*10^1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000% chance of it happening? That's on top of the 1*10 part of the calculation! You really managed to screw up your syntax there!
Plus, like I said, it'd be impossible to calculate.

Yeah I forgot my syntax. There, I added a probability to it. And the reason there is the second scientific notation inside of it, is because you kinda have to cause... 10 ^ (1 with a trillion zeros) is a really fucking big number.

1 : 2.4 * 10 ^ (1 * 10 ^ 1,000,000,000,000,000,000 )

Either way, like I said, the chance was essentially "lol"

But considering the universe and time is infinite, it doesn't matter how laughable the probability was, because there is no limit to the possibility.

I suppose it was fairly psuedo science-y, but what it was was the guy used the ratio of all the elements in the universe, then calculated the probability of the correct combination of elements coming together in a space less than a square millimeter (so they could mix and form an amino acid), over the 14 billion years the universe has been around, for the square millimeters in the universe (Another ludicrously large number).

It's good enough for me to say that the probability was laughably small. Fuck yeah, we won the lottery.

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Also, minor change of topic... the sparsely populated thing is a misconception that other countries have of America, in part due to television seems to talk about only New York and Hollywood. Yeah we have a lot of empty areas, but people in America typically gravitate to areas with a population density of something around 700 people per square mile (around 250 per square km).

The US is #180 of the list of world countries by population density. The UK has 8 times the amount of people per square kilometre than the US, and that's before you even remove the non-major cities. 700 people per square mile is England's average! America is empty!


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Also, minor change of topic... the sparsely populated thing is a misconception that other countries have of America, in part due to television seems to talk about only New York and Hollywood. Yeah we have a lot of empty areas, but people in America typically gravitate to areas with a population density of something around 700 people per square mile (around 250 per square km).

The US is #180 of the list of world countries by population density. The UK has 8 times the amount of people per square kilometre than the US, and that's before you even remove the non-major cities. 700 people per square mile is England's average! America is empty!

<,<

If you don't count areas that have a grand population density of zero people per mile, our population density is quite high. Which was basically my point.

America is fucking full of cities like crazy, both large and medium sized.

We also have a really big empty area in the middle of our country, which makes up like, 1/2 of our country with a population density of next to zero.

It's rather silly to perceive America as being sparsely populated when half the nation is populated are medium to very heavily populated. Places that don't have at least 700 people per square mile in America are basically hundreds of miles of farmlands with a population density of zero.

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Yeah, cause if Ireland hypothetically annexed Greenland, that would make your population density would be on average retardedly low. That doesn't mean that Ireland is sparsely populated though.

Seriously. It's like counting the ocean surrounding Ireland and/or the UK as if it was part of your square milage when calculating your population density.

Understand the concept of how averages work, seriously. See those white places in the middle of the map? The bodaciously white squares? There are around 40 of them... Those are spots bigger than all of Ireland, that have bodaciously not a single person living in them. It's not just a population density of <1, it's a population density of pure 0.

They fuck up the average so hard.

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Or for one of the whole world that is way too big to imbed...
http://www.omega53.com/mwr/mwr_worldnew.jpg

EDIT: You know, I'm highly disappointed that a picture is better capable of proving the point than the entire rest of my post :(

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In the ye olden times, Catholic Churches did have that "No Divorce" rule. regardless of how miserable you are in the relationship. It certainly explains the amount of cheating that occurred in that time. But if you confess to your priest then it's ALWAYS A-O K. MER

But when it comes to sex before marriage, like I said, Only do it if you completely trust that person and you've been together for a while. Someone who you feel is right for you. With protection and at the right time in the women's menstrual cycle. *The part of it where she's less likely to conceive*
Why do we teach abstinence in school? Because we don't want a Teen's life ruined by risking getting a baby or STD'S. There's some Religious influence there too, but that's only part of it.

In the sense of Adam and Eve, (or if you're gay. watev) When you marry, you become one, spiritually. Divorcing is a problem because you break apart that bond of marriage and love.
Now, my parent's are divorced. But if you look into their past, they only married because my mother was pregnant with my brother. That's another complication about sex before marriage because then you risk having a child before marriage, thus sometimes they are forced to get married and most likely they won't have a pop flyin' ending. OR there's the option of aborting the baby, which I view as killing it, regardless of how old it is.

I asked my mom what we should do to avoid abortions. She said we should spend more cheddar on creating programs that specifically help teens with their children so that their children will be taken care of while they focus on their school career. Yes they made a mistake, but making them raise it themselves isn't helping at all. They'll have less time with education and becoming productive members of society and to properly raise their child if they start off badly.
My health teacher once said something to our class when we asked when the right time someone should have sex. She said "If you can talk about sex maturely and without having immature giggle fits, then you are ready to have sex".

So be careful and choose wisely. Learn from other people's mistakes when it comes to Sex before Marriage. If you do make a mistake anyway, as it's in human nature, I wish good luck and that there are people to help you with the problem.
It's not Religion's fault entirely. A lot of the time, it's the people's fault for being very close minded.

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There is no such thing as sex-ed in America. We have "Abstinence-Only" sex-ed. Which basically means, they tell people nothing, and don't explain to people how their bodies work. Hell, even I barely know how my body works. Everything I have learned was from the Internet and wikipedia, so I'm sure there is massive gaps in my knowledge of how my body works.


Actually, I had a pretty comprehensive sex ed. I had it in 5th grade, 7th grade, and 10th grade.

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Actually, I had a pretty comprehensive sex ed. I had it in 5th grade, 7th grade, and 10th grade.


Same here.

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Actually, I had a pretty comprehensive sex ed. I had it in 5th grade, 7th grade, and 10th grade.


Same here.


I got STD Ed in ninth grade.

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There is no such thing as sex-ed in America. We have "Abstinence-Only" sex-ed. Which basically means, they tell people nothing, and don't explain to people how their bodies work. Hell, even I barely know how my body works. Everything I have learned was from the Internet and wikipedia, so I'm sure there is massive gaps in my knowledge of how my body works.


Actually, I had a pretty comprehensive sex ed. I had it in 5th grade, 7th grade, and 10th grade.

The same. My school teaches not just abstinence but they teach how to be protected. They don't try to force their students from having sex, but just to be careful and mindful about it.

Karilyn must just be in one of the really bad schools. Which doesn't mean all schools are like that.

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Actually, I had a pretty comprehensive sex ed. I had it in 5th grade, 7th grade, and 10th grade.


Same here.


I got STD Ed in ninth grade.


I just realized that every school I have ever been to has taught me nothing about this kind of stuff. :shakefist:


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Christian, nothing wrong with Gay people, pro-life, don't mind sex before marriage as long as it's with a careful choice of partner.


Well, this pretty much sums up me! Of course, I don't want to be one of "those" Christians, yelling out "REPENT" and "CONVERT". I just believe in my own thing, and I won't let my religion alter my judgement (seeing as I'm okay with gays).


Same here.

Actually, Jesus doesn't like overly religious people either (I'm looking at YOU, Jehovah's witnesses).

And I have two awesome gay friends, Kevin and Jackie. :D

Jackie won't be in my senior year BAWWWWW D: But Kevin will! <3

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Tall-Hatted Yanimae wrote:
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Karilyn wrote:
There is no such thing as sex-ed in America. We have "Abstinence-Only" sex-ed. Which basically means, they tell people nothing, and don't explain to people how their bodies work. Hell, even I barely know how my body works. Everything I have learned was from the Internet and wikipedia, so I'm sure there is massive gaps in my knowledge of how my body works.


Actually, I had a pretty comprehensive sex ed. I had it in 5th grade, 7th grade, and 10th grade.

The same. My school teaches not just abstinence but they teach how to be protected. They don't try to force their students from having sex, but just to be careful and mindful about it.

Karilyn must just be in one of the really bad schools. Which doesn't mean all schools are like that.


The sex ed I've had thus far has basically been "Here's how the male reproduction system works, here's how the female reproduction system works, here's what happens when you get an STD and here's how you avoid getting STDs."

There might have been some other stuff I am forgetting, though.


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We have fun Health Class Teachers.
They're smart and in depth about what they have to say about the body and how it works. They were very detailed about STDS, Drugs, Sex and stuff like that.
In high school, we get the classes for only 9th and 10th grade. But they are non judgmental and are people who is very comfortable to talk to about your health problems.

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