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 Post subject: Re: Things that Mildly Annoy You
PostPosted: Wed Mar 25, 2015 12:59 pm 
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English's bullshit grammatical structure comes from the finicky and specific, other languages have it right at the onset, and the language is structured around it. Each language is equally bullshit but in different magical ways.

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 Post subject: Re: Things that Mildly Annoy You
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Aye. To be fair, most of English's "ughhh this is stupiddddd" is really only a problem with writing-only aspects, like spelling and punctuation. Virtually all western languages have a similar complexity to their tense conjugations, and English is actually SIMPLER in most of its subject conjugation.

For example, most present-tense verbs in English only have two forms of conjugation, being 1st-/2nd-person/all plurals and 3rd-person:
"I/We/You/You (all)/They have..." and "He/She/It has..."
It's further simplified in most extended tenses, with only one method of subject conjugation for all pronouns within the tense.
"I/We/You/You (all)/He/She/It/They had, will have, will have had, would have had, etc...."

Spanish verbs have 5 or 6 subject conjugations (those things that English verbs only have one or two of), depending on the country. FOR ALMOST EVERY ONE OF THE DOZEN TENSES.
Do you like being able to just add a simple "s" suffix to a word to make it a plural? Well then good luck with several East Asian languages, most notably Japanese, which have several dozen suffixes (and possibly prefixes, I don't remember as I never actually took a class) called "Counters" that mark the noun as a plural, and you have to choose one from those several dozen, depending on what type of thing you're talking about, and how many.
Aren't written vowels great? You know exactly what family of sounds (if not the exact vowel sound, depending on the language) are supposed to be in between those other letters. Whoops, several Middle Eastern, North African, and (I believe) South Asian languages use a writing system that omits vowels, leaving you only with a set of consonants. Ths cld b sd svrl ws, dpndng 'n cntxt. 'F trnsltbl 't 'll.

The rest of English's "ughhh this is stupiddddd" comes from having 23094723 synonyms for everything, because we are a hodgepodge language, and thus have a Germanic, Latin, Greek, and possibly Arabic variation of half our nouns. Some of our words are still pretty directly descended from the original Gaelic/Breton terms, though.

So basically, what Turbo said. Verbal language is just a wonderfully complex, adaptably fluid, and occasionally frustrating thing. Regardless of the tongue.


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 Post subject: Re: Things that Mildly Annoy You
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Adjectives are stupid.

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 Post subject: Re: Things that Mildly Annoy You
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Like, if it's actually some mechanical function of the language, I can probably help explain it. Also, I didn't even see Obnosim's post until now. Sorry if I stole your thunder, man.


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 Post subject: Re: Things that Mildly Annoy You
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It's mostly a personal thing as I can never remember the right word I want to use to describe something. I feel it absolutely necessary that the things I say match the idea in my head exactly, but I often can't remember which word I am looking for in the vast ocean of seemingly similar word meanings, often leaving me to sit confused as I try to sort my thoughts out. On a few occasions, it turned out that the thought I was having didn't have an actual word that exists in the English language.

I already understand English sentence structure, having been the only one in my High School to make perfect grades in English, but words are the stupid thing.

I have an even worse time if I'm forced to speak verbally. I lose all concept of what I'm saying if I can't see it as it is being said as I can when typing/writing (it was actually easier for me to say things to people when I lost my voice for a week, provided I was able to keep track of a pencil and paper).

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 Post subject: Re: Things that Mildly Annoy You
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At least English doesn't have that thing where pronunciation can change a word's meaning entirely.

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 Post subject: Re: Things that Mildly Annoy You
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Unless you're talking about a situation in which one is shrunk down to a minute size for a minute.

There's also that thing where words are spelt differently based on which country you're in because we Americans decided to get lazy with our spelling or whatever.

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 Post subject: Re: Things that Mildly Annoy You
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Perplexate I hope you're being sarcastic

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 Post subject: Re: Things that Mildly Annoy You
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Random phrases that give examples of stupid things.


ENGLIIIISH wrote:
They're looking for their cat over there.

Our clock is behind by an hour.

Your fancy hat of yore is quite fashionable.

I write with my right hand.

A live snowman lives in that cave.

I don't read a book I'm read, twice.

My eyes tear up whenever I see a tear in my outfit.

He launched an arrow from his bow at the bow of the ship.

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 Post subject: this is a factual statement
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 Post subject: Re: Things that Mildly Annoy You
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Wouldn’t the sentence “I want to put a hyphen between the words Fish and and and and and Chips in my Fish-and-Chips sign” have been clearer if quotation marks had been placed before Fish, and between Fish and and, and and and and, and and and and, and and and and, and and and and, and and and Chips, as well as after Chips?

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 Post subject: Re: Things that Mildly Annoy You
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Airra wrote:
Random phrases that give examples of stupid things.


ENGLIIIISH wrote:
They're looking for their cat over there.

Our clock is behind by an hour.

Your fancy hat of yore is quite fashionable.

I write with my right hand.

A live snowman lives in that cave.

I don't read a book I'm read, twice.

My eyes tear up whenever I see a tear in my outfit.

He launched an arrow from his bow at the bow of the ship.

Some of those are homophones rather than the homographs being referred to, but it still works in context.

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 Post subject: Re: Things that Mildly Annoy You
PostPosted: Wed Mar 25, 2015 5:23 pm 
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I was listing them together since they're both annoying. I never said any specific thing to define context.

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 Post subject: Re: Things that Mildly Annoy You
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Oh, I thought you were still just going off of what Perplexate said about
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pronunciation can change a word's meaning entirely.

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 Post subject: Re: Things that Mildly Annoy You
PostPosted: Wed Mar 25, 2015 6:04 pm 
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At least English doesn't have that thing where pronunciation can change a word's meaning entirely.

Lead and lead are different words depending on the pronunciation who allowed that!!

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