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PostPosted: Fri Oct 23, 2015 1:20 am 
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This guy is called Lavin Eskandar

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He was killed trying to subdue a crazy guy attacking students with a sword.

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I wish there were more people like Lavin. Also I know that normally I use this thread to bitch about gun control, but knife/sword control laws are also a thing. Apparently Sweden has laws banning carrying them in public places but doesn't restrict having them.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 23, 2015 9:21 am 
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Eh. We have so many elk around here. Not really a problem. Didn't even know it happened either. That's how much Norwegians care :P


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 26, 2015 3:31 pm 
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A fan-artist named Zamii070 attempted suicide because various Tumblr users bullied and harassed her for her fan-art supposedly being "problematic", including making accounts specifically with that intent in mind. This imgur gallery collects information about the bullying, harassment, and suicide attempt. Read at your own discretion.

Luckily, the suicide attempt failed and Zamii is still alive. Various creators have now come out in response to this event and said that you can draw whatever the heck you want. This includes people on the staff of Steven Universe and the creator of Gravity Falls, Alex Hirsch. Tumblr users then flipped out, as if creators telling their fans to create whatever their hearts desire was some kind of massive betrayal.

If there's anything that proves that the social justice wing of Tumblr is teeming with all manner of hypocrites, then this is it.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 26, 2015 4:35 pm 
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Holy shit. Well, now I have an actual excuse not to go on Tumblr. Not that I ever needed one, beyond "I don't feel like it".

Glad she survived, glad the creators of those shows support fans making fan art, but I don't understand why the hell someone would have a problem with someone making fan art.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 26, 2015 4:49 pm 
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I don't go to Tumblr myself, but I imagine that like any website there are good parts and bad parts, and it's unfortunately the vocal and abrasive minority that receives the most attention.


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 26, 2015 5:26 pm 
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This is why I hate this PC trigger-warning don't-hurt-my-fee-fees-please movement that's spreading right now. Artists, designers, writers, and all creators in general should be able to create whatever the hell they want whenever the hell they want without fear of some dumbass screaming "PROBLEMATIC!" all the time. Those people treat these artists so much worse than what the things they create could ever do to anyone.

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This is why I hate this PC trigger-warning don't-hurt-my-fee-fees-please movement that's spreading right now. Artists, designers, writers, and all creators in general should be able to create whatever the hell they want whenever the hell they want without fear of some dumbass screaming "PROBLEMATIC!" all the time. Those people treat these artists so much worse than what the things they create could ever do to anyone.

Because it was so much better when everyone just got told to shut up whenever an artist committed a borderline hate crime and his fanbase just made excuses for him. I agree that all of this is just the other side of the extremist coin, but I am sick to DEATH of the anti-PC bullshit.

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I don't go to Tumblr myself, but I imagine that like any website there are good parts and bad parts, and it's unfortunately the vocal and abrasive minority that receives the most attention.

Kind of, but tumblr also is kind of a mixed bag of insular communities that keep to themselves (and can sometimes be dangerous or downright cultlike, basically the reddit problem) while also having an easy avenue for people to find things to hunt. All it takes is someone going through a blog, finding something they don't like, and then tagging it with something like "problematic" to signal boost it to the right people. Then everyone else who searches those tags/follow blogs that collect and comment on "problematic posts and users" find someone to unload some "knowledge" on.

It's basically the equivalent of a 4chan raid only it doesn't seem to run out of steam and enthusiasm because the target is always moving.

There are plenty of good people on tumblr, but honestly, they're quickly being run out either because of bullying or fear of bullying. All of my friends left tumblr about a year ago when the writing on the walls was really starting to become evident. It's becoming harder and harder to shut these people out without just abandoning the site itself.

And that doesn't even get into the amount of tumblr users and blogs dedicated to documenting and hating on people in other social media like twitter and sometimes facebook. Even being entirely removed from the site doesn't mean you're safe from the bad parts of it.

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This is why I hate this PC trigger-warning don't-hurt-my-fee-fees-please movement that's spreading right now. Artists, designers, writers, and all creators in general should be able to create whatever the hell they want whenever the hell they want without fear of some dumbass screaming "PROBLEMATIC!" all the time. Those people treat these artists so much worse than what the things they create could ever do to anyone.


The problem isn't PC or social activism. It's assholes co-opting the ideals and movements to be bullies because it's the only way bullying isn't "reprehensible" on the internet, or because they believe their offense to a matter is more important than it is to other people. Tumblr has a bad habit of speaking out for marginalized groups that do not want them to speak for them, and very few of the individuals involved in these crusades tend to actually be a part of the slighted minority in question. Most usually have some reason to claim slight and solidarity such as gender, sexuality, race, mental disorders, etc. but the majority are generally not offended because it applies to them and how people view them.

Besides which, on a lot of matters, people disregard actual feelings of people in the slighted minority because they go against the grain of the movement. If a trans* person speaks out against hate against something that's trans*phobic they're either misinformed of the true dangers of it or are a part of the problem the group is trying to rectify. Take, for instance, about 5 years ago with the "Ground Zero Mosque". Many family members of the victims of 9/11 spoke in favor of building the mosque as a means of healing the divide between Islam and America.

This is why it's hard to say that you are fighting on behalf of a group when the group themselves may not even be of the same mind on an issue. In part your actions are going to go against the wishes of people in the group, and you have to justify the reason you are going against them is because of YOUR own bias and ideology telling you that doing so is right. Not because those people are liars or traitors or deluded into drinking the heteronormative white male kool-aid.

It's the people that are the problem, not the ideas.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 27, 2015 4:21 pm 
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You also can't write off an entire website due to the actions of a single group of people. Nobody I follow does any of that shit, because I intentionally don't follow people that militantly into social justice stuff. My entire Tumblr experience is unfunny waste of space, time and resources, art, unfunny waste of space, time and resources art, and art unfunny waste of space, time and resources.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 27, 2015 6:16 pm 
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No one was writing off the entirety of tumblr, you don't have to use who you follow as an example

The fact is that the vocal minority is making Tumblr a less nice place for these artists

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 27, 2015 7:04 pm 
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Actually, I kinda did. Sorry.

Though, in all fairness, I don't get into any of the social media sites, but really it's more because I don't think anything I actually do warrants another update every couple of hours.

Looked at my mom's facebook on her phone, and it was just a bunch of repeat posts, religious posts, and people posting those pictures with a caption about grandchildren being great and all that. Oh, and a sizable portion was posts about someone's progress in one of those freemium games, like Candy Crush.

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Alkarii wrote:

Though, in all fairness, I don't get into any of the social media sites, but really it's more because I don't think anything I actually do warrants another update every couple of hours.

Looked at my mom's facebook on her phone, and it was just a bunch of repeat posts, religious posts, and people posting those pictures with a caption about grandchildren being great and all that. Oh, and a sizable portion was posts about someone's progress in one of those freemium games, like Candy Crush.


You are in (hopefully) good company there.


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Not that it excuses any harassment but I can't find anything from Zamii herself where she says that her suicide attempt was actually because of the SU fandom or "sjws". There is however, a lot on her Tumblr that shows she has mental illnesses, physical pain, an abusive mother, trauma, etc. I can't find it but supposedly she even said she just ignored "callout drama".
(I agree with most of that post I just linked but I don't like the tone and I really, really don't like the part where they say she "faked death threats to herself". Using the threat of suicide as some kind of tool is generally shitty and childish but there's a very weak possibility that actually happened.)


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 02, 2015 2:29 am 
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Even if the suicide attempt wasn't related to the callouts and hate blogs circlejerking against her, they took credit for it and rallied around with a "GOOD WORK TEAM" attitude about thinking they drove her to kill herself, which is dangerous in its own right. This is why it's important to tell these people that this behavior and attitude is not okay. Even if it didn't contribute in this instance, it still has an impact on people in the community and how they process these ideas and threats being levied out.

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Even if the suicide attempt wasn't related to the callouts and hate blogs circlejerking against her, they took credit for it and rallied around with a "GOOD WORK TEAM" attitude about thinking they drove her to kill herself, which is dangerous in its own right. This is why it's important to tell these people that this behavior and attitude is not okay. Even if it didn't contribute in this instance, it still has an impact on people in the community and how they process these ideas and threats being levied out.

Wow, that's fucking disgusting. Are those even people?

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