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Y...yes, that's a decent summary of how things stand currently but that's not what was being said. What they were exploring was the validity of using the marriage ruling in terms of overriding states' decisions in order to pursue nationwide recognition of concealed carry permits.

In unrelated bits, a couple of men reportedly spit on a Catholic priest at a pride parade last week. I'm hoping it's not indicative of the sentiment at large ("why is it always the victims responsibility to make nice?" comes to mind) but it still rather ticks me off.

Yes, shocking that unrelenting harassment might put some people in an unfavorable mood towards the church and its representatives

And that justifies spitting on a person?

...kind of? Okay yeah, they were pretty much just taking out their anger of an institution on its nearest representative, but I can see where they're coming from. Its not like they can go spit on the Pope.

In general, the Catholic church (along with many other institutions) has been far from kind to the gay community. If the priest was foolish enough to try and rebuke people at an event specifically designed to say "we don't give a fuck what old institutions think, we're pop flyin' with ourselves", then he's hardly a victim. If he were a simple passerby, then the spitting was far from necessary, but also far from harmful compared to what many individuals (possibly the one who spit on the priest) have been put through at the hands of the Church's authority.

Mm, they might have gone through the horrors of having to spend a whole hour to find an alternative bakery, or photographer, or venue for their wedding. That's certainly worth throwing out one of the most hateful gestures known to man.

or, y'know, all the slurs, discrimination, and violence. Might have a little something to do with it

Have you ever looked into what LGBT people have to deal with on a daily basis? Sure, some are fortunate enough to grow up in families and neighborhoods that don't treat them any differently for it, but there is a reason that LGBT individuals are four times more likely to attempt suicide than people of otherwise similar demographics. Look up conversion camps sometime. They are fortunately pretty rare, but dear god, the havoc they wreak on the few they reach.

Being religious myself, I get very irritated with this victim complex that a loud portion (I have no idea if it's a true majority) of the various branches of Christianity seem to have developed in the U.S. Old men misusing their authority in the church have made life far more difficult for various minorities than what any of those minorities will ever do to the church. Was spitting uncalled for? Probably. Did the priest instigate a conflict? Also probably. You've conveniently left out any reliable source on the events.

Don't be a snarky shit. And before you go all "oh, liberal bias strikes again", we've gotten on members who have the exact opposite views from you for similar behavior and openly calling all religious/conservative people morons.

So basically two wrongs don't make a right, unless you're homosexual?

No, but maybe you should stop trying to fuck people over if you're so worried about getting bitten in the dick.

I never said it was right to spit on the dude. Maybe those two individuals were douchenozzles, regardless of sexual orientation. I honestly don't care, since we're clearly not going to get the full transcript of events from you anyway. I was saying that your implied dismissal of the extra problems that LGBT people deal with was just as uncalled for as you feel the actions against the priest were.

Are you seriously going to tell me that in every situation that someone has or will fling shit at you, you never have, and never will tell them off or retaliate in any way? Sometimes people do things that are technically wrong, but simultaneously understandable. And some wrongs are much, much bigger than others. Get back to me when you find data about harassment from the gay community causing suicides in monasteries.

And Stranger, don't escalate any further, man. Even when you have good points, you tend to undo them by being so excessively abrasive that the people you are trying to talk/argue with are completely shut off from listening to you.

Here are the (only) sources about that pastor getting spit on: his own tweets. Not that I doubt his words too much. (1) (2)
Said pastor is also an analyst for Fox News, and though I don't want to imply everyone working with Fox News is awful, well he works with Fox News.

Oh, how very topical.

Last week, Florida State freshman quarterback De'Andre Johnson was charged with misdemeanor battery after allegedly punching a woman at a Tallahassee bar. Witnesses confirmed the woman had said racial slurs to him and a camera recorded her attempting to assault him first.
Who was the victim here?
Apparently the woman, according to the law.
So why are we attacking this priest if he was the one allegedly spit on?

I'm sorry if you thought me bringing up his work at Fox News was an "attack", heh
Note that he did get harassed about said tweets by radical anti-religion folks (who called him a pedophile among other things) as well as radical pro-religion folks (who thought he was being too PC and nice about it)

I never said that you bringing up him working at Fox News was an attack. I was mostly referring to other people trying to make the couple out as "justified" while apparently this football player gets charged with battery and is a terrible person.

For the record I wrote up that post before you posted yourself.