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I see that a lot of the people here didn't like the video. I was rather hesitant to posting it in the first place, I probably shouldn't have. Sorry if I offended you, I try to do more research into the issue and come back with better facts next time. Thanks for being understanding.

Basically, I done did mess up. Sorry.

I just think its Fucked up that is 2015 and people still think love is wrong. Shouldn't matter if its same sex. Love is Love and if you cant respect that, then dont ever expect me to respect you

Text dump ahoy (also edit at the end)


Okay, I just watched the video.
It's very biased, does not support its arguments properly and is also filled with incorrect data / lies.

Some thoughts, in chronological order:
Do governments actually promote marriages of any sort? The legal system provides a structure for marriage and defines it, yeah, but it doesn't do anything else.
This is a big one. Here's the scoop: gay people have always existed. They are not a new trend that threatens the soul of misguided young people like rock'n'roll and D&D. Perpetuation of human society is doing just fine. In fact, we are going to face a major overpopulation problem in a few decades because more and more people have access to health care and don't die at 32. Gay people are not a different race of people that can't reproduce and will eventually replace the fertile population. The straight population has always been there and will always be there and there will never be too many gay people because that's not how that works.
Homosexuality is also part of nature. This is intentionally misleading.
Again, biased from the start and devoid of all factual meaning.
I'm gonna be nice and assume these points are married vs unmarried and not ~~~natural~~~ vs homosexual because oh boy.
Married people often don't have any kids. Unmarried people often have kids. This means nothing.
No source, unclear who they are being compared too. This argument has no value.
Bullshit.
Again, no actual statistics, no source, and a rhetoric question at the end to hide that.

Why do they insist on calling it "natural" every single time if not to imply not all marriages are right? This is twisted and disgusting.
Oh just fuck off. None of the statistics they pulled out of their booty previously couldn't apply here because it has nothing to do with the parents' sex life. Same-sex marriage protects parents from having to abandon their careers to raise their kids the exact same way their so-called ~~~natural~~~ marriage does. Same thing with raising kids better because they are in a more financially secure family supposedly. Homosexual people can produce children just fine and often do, just not the same way, and again this has nothing to do with whether or not they are married. This is misleading and deceitful.
Again, nobody is promoting anything.
Perhaps you just never understood marriage in the first place then. Marriage has not been about making babies for a good while now. Do those conservatives never raise their eyes above their Bibles and see that most marriages end in divorce and how often they are just a reason for a big sparkly expensive party with a big sparkly expensive rock on a ring? Do they not know about drive-thru weddings and how many young people in most civilized countries don't get married because they know they don't have to to make baby and live together?
People having sex for reasons other than reproduction? Well I never! Also this is implying that straight people don't have sex outside of marriage and that couples exist for no other reason than reproduction. Let's force all infertile and post-menopause women to stay single then! This makes no sense.
and then no explanation at all. What statistics? How do you quantify children-friendliness? How can you have sufficient data on a phenomenon that hasn't been even remotely widespread until a few years ago?
Think of the children!! Seriously, what do the children care? Lies, lies, lies.
Will somebody think of the children!!!! This argument has no value and makes no sense. Doesn't every child deserve a puppy?
Oh, you caught up with the audience.
This is purposely disregarding what I said about marriage and reproduction being unrelated and homosexual people being able to reproduce too.
But seriously what about the children!!!!!! Source? Why is that bad? Are they implying they are going to brainwash kids into becoming gay? That's not a thing.
Source? Facts? Are homosexuals undeserving of help? Does Barack Obama personally hand gold-plated dildos to gay people now? Is that worse than spending a thousand billion dollars to steal oil from brown people and call it liberation?
Not my freedums! Nobody has ever been fired for saying dumb shit before! Letting gay people marry totally changes that!
Good thing nobody is talking about promoting it then.
Really? I have not seen a single valid argument for that in the last 3 minutes.
That's now how that works. You can't claim to treat everyone equally because you only have urinals in your bathrooms. Straight people are not treated equally because they can marry the person they love and gay people cannot. This is stupid.
and gay people aren't people!
Maybe back in 1850 and in the South, but not anymore. People get married as a symbol of their love, for shits and giggles or to circumvent immigration law, not to get permission to reproduce.
Liking people of your own sex is a behavior right? It's not part of your identity right? You can fix that with perseverance and prayers right?
And same-sex marriage differs from that how?
HAHAHA
There is nothing else required, no siree. We taught bacteria about marriage and they developed poetry and law enforcement overnight. Also ancient Greece never existed.
Yeah if you failed it I guess.

Overall, that video is propaganda by conservatives for conservatives using grade school science with the goal of making themselves self-righteous about their bigotry. I strongly suggest you stop listening to that kind of trash and find proper sources instead.

To clarify, I don't think any less of you now than before. You are not ill-intentioned, just misinformed.

I'm starting to think the conversation has shifted from focusing on anti-homosexual opinions, but anyway, here's a rundown: What people dislike, they just dislike. Maybe they'll learn to like it one day, but apparently that day isn't now. Oh well. Will some people make up stupid things and point to unverified sources? Yes, but consider that most people that do that are the ones that openly force their opinion and try to do away with what they don't like, which, as I stated, is a vocal minority and always will be, and if you try your very hardest, you can simply keep them out of your mind. People who simply don't like something don't usually point to something and pretend it proves their point beyond a shadow of a doubt. That would be what /v/ does. Again, I think we're no longer talking about homosexuals when we say "gigantic chunk of the human race" and "something they were born with and cannot change". I would understand if you're referring to your race, though, but redirecting the argument to be more about you is kind of silly. That said, I'll bite since it's essentially the same argument.


Speaking as someone who has not been discriminated very much, you sound really paranoid right now. Have you ever actually encountered someone who wants to do away with you, specifically, or to branch out a bit, anyone in your immediate family, because of a certain characteristic? If you have, then I can sort of see why you would feel that way. If not, I fail to see why you seem to live in such constant fear.


Okay, I'll take back what I said. If you really see responses to your relationship that you are offended at, then that's a different story. But then you go and say that you choose to believe that people are mostly good. In that case, what is the problem here?

This all just seems like talking up a boogeyman that isn't there. Not everyone who dislikes gays or biracial couples is bodaciously Hitler setting up their gas chambers to start a mass ethic cleansing (pardon the awful and admittedly somewhat offensive wordplay).

Right, I forgot how gays have been in no way discriminated against at all.

I did not say that at all.
At all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6PPk2N ... e=youtu.be

This video pretty much summarizes the entire opposition to gay marriage.

Don't feel bad, Curly. I respect you a lot for being courteous and open-minded by bringing your thoughts and discussion here.

That said, since I grew up conservative Christian as well, I can understand why so many people have a problem with gay marriage from a religious standpoint. I don't agree with them by any means (anymore) - but I remember the thought process. The problem is, that thought process is fundamentally flawed.

The idea is, love the sinner, hate the sin, right? That video even mentions how the government supposedly aims to treat different behaviors differently, not different people. However, where typical Christian ideas go wrong is the assertion that homosexuality is a sinful behavior that someone could theoretically stop doing. In Ye Olde Biblical times, when people didn't understand homosexuality at all, that idea made sense.

Except, sexual orientation CANNOT be changed and is NOT a choice. Saying that homosexuality is sinful, but trying to "love the sinner" anyway is essentially saying "Yeah I totally respect you as a person, but you know those feelings you can't control? You're terrible if you keep feeling those things. Just stop feeling those things and you'll be good, though."

That's a TERRIBLY damaging thing to say to someone. And it's a terribly damaging (and yet, in many communities, very common) belief to hold. Because someone might start thinking that way about themselves. Storytime:

In middle/high school, when I was still very religious and very conservative, I had an extremely close friend that was even more dedicated to the Christian faith than I was. However, as we grew up, he realized he started having feelings for some of his male friends. Being raised as he was, he "knew" for sure that those were terrible thoughts to have, and he felt awful about them, but he was sure that if he prayed hard enough, focused on his faith and on school, they would just go away.

Except they didn't. He simply couldn't help but feel attracted to guys. Nothing he did ever changed that. He studied the Bible, he went to church, he became the most Christian guy I've ever known, but he would still confess to me how he felt... and how depressed he was. He became angry, stressed, emotional, and eventually suicidal at times. It took him until he got to college for him to realize that God was never going to change him, nothing he could do could ever change himself.

Do you know why he was sent spiraling into depression? Because he truly believed that something about him, that he had no control over, was fundamentally evil and wrong, and there was nothing he could do about it. He had a voice in his head telling him "you're not good enough, you'll never be good enough, you're never allowed to be in a pop flyin' relationship or get married or enjoy all the things everyone else can enjoy because of something you can't control."


TL:DR beliefs can be damaging, even when no outright discrimination occurs because of it... when those beliefs take issue with a part of someone's identity that cannot be changed.

That's exactly what you said.

You're claiming that people's negative opinions about homosexuals don't cause discrimination and that's simply not true.

I'll concede that not every conservative Christian out there is hateful towards gays. One of my good friends is Christian and he is VERY conflicted about what he believes about homosexuality and what believes about how everyone deserves equal rights under the law. But comparing that to an imaginary monster that doesn't exist is just choosing to ignore the problem.

I...actually hadn't heard this point before (yours I mean) and yet it's entirely accurate. Even outside of adoption, same sex couples can still reproduce. Surrogate mothers and sperm donors are a thing that exist and I hadn't put two and two together until just now.

bodaciously no one is saying that there's a mob of bigots outside every gay person's house just waiting to shoot them. everyone here understands that someone can dislike gay people but also not be utter scum in all facets of their life

it's still p. dumb, is a very real cause of discrimination, and something we should be doing our best to educate

That's not even what you said! You claimed that I said that no gay people have ever been discriminated against, which I didn't. Now you're suddenly claiming something completely different! Which is still not what I said at all!

Maybe I'm not making my point clear. You're acting like negative opinions of gay people aren't a real problem(boogeyman analogy), and they absolutely are. If that's not what you meant, pick an analogy that better suits your argument.

Did you even read my posts? I went over this in detail.




Yes, people who discriminate are a problem.
But what about people who don't?

Did you read OTHER people's posts?