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/b/ is now part of the Great Bacon Debate

I don't really like bacon

how many of you just decried thinkgeek and related sites for being "lmao so wacky bacon" like a week ago

The ideal piece of bacon is a thick juicy well seasoned piece of meat. The trick is to cook it well and at the same time not turn it into a dry piece of meat-flavored biscuit. So I'd say I'd vote towards to chewy side, although if the bacon is made well, you should have no trouble chewing it whatsoever.

Between a sandwich or in an omelette I'd like a more crispy bacon though, to add some extra crunch to the thing.

Last thread I'm making for a while, I swear.

This thread is is for debating things! What kind of things? Whatever you want, as long as it isn't a Taboo topic!

I made this thread because a) I think it's fun to debate trivial things sometimes, and b) I've noticed that sometimes people want to get into debates about a topic in certain threads, while other people want to talk about something else. Here you can have those debates while others can can move on in the discussion.

So here's the rules:
1. No Taboo topics. We already have a thread for talking about that kind of stuff, so please go there if you want to discuss more delicate topics. If you're not sure if what you want to talk about is Taboo, ask me or a mod. Basically, if your topic contains the words "gender", "politics", "religion", "economy", or any combination of those words, it probably should go in Taboo Topics and not here.
2. ABSOLUTELY NO PERSONAL ATTACKS. I am dead serious. The stuff that gets debated here isn't going to be that important, or shouldn't be, at least, so there is absolutely no reason to belittle, berate, or otherwise attack someone for their opinion about a topic posted here.
3. Anyone can post a debate topic. The caveat to this is that I ask that you please allow other people the opportunity to debate the current topic before introducing a new one.
4. Defend your points! It's no fun and doesn't strengthen your argument if all you do is say, "I'm right and that's that." You're free to disagree with someone's opinion as long as you're willing to acknowledge when someone presents a good point and if you can provide evidence to support your own opinions. That's the essence of debate! If you can't provide evidence to prove your point, please accept and acknowledge that.

To start us off, I'll open up a debate that will serve as the kind of topics I'd like to see going on here.

I've heard a lot of people argue that Beauty and the Beast is a story about Stockholm Syndrome, and while I can see where that idea comes from, I don't necessarily agree with that notion. However, I will say that I haven't read up too much on Stockholm Syndrome, so if there's something I'm missing here, let me know. It seems to me that when people argue this, they tend to forget about key points in the movie, mainly the second half up until the end. Yes, the Beast is verbally and almost physically abusive to Belle in the first half, and she is his prisoner, but she does run away from the castle about halfway through the movie. The Beast saves her from wolves, she comes back and tends his wounds, and there seems to be a big lapse of time happening in the next musical montage. From that point on, he does treat her more kindly, and eventually offers her her freedom, which she accepts. From what I understand, Stockholm Syndrome victims don't WANT to abandon their captors after they become emotionally attached to them. And as far as her returning to the castle when Gaston's group attacks, what was she supposed to do? They were forming a party to lay siege on the castle and kill the Beast because they were terrified of him. Was she supposed to sit back and not try and correct their mistake? When the movie is looked at in more detail, I think there's too many inconsistencies for the Stockholm Syndrome argument to hold up.

Ooo this is a neat thing

From what I understand with Stockholm Syndrome, one way it often manifests is when the victim becomes thankful for basic survival needs and creature comforts. For example, the captor makes the victim sleep on a hard cold floor and threatens to kill them many times, but eventually stops and gives the victim a blanket to use. Empathy I think can also play a role, where the victim might feel sorry for something bad that happens/happened to their captor.

With Beauty and the Beast, things I often read about in cases of Stockholm Syndrome don't seem to appear in Belle. She initially stays in the castle because of her agreement with Beast, but tries to escape not too long after. When he saves her from the wolves, she seems to hesitate for a moment whether to get back on Phillipe or save Beast and take him back to the castle.
And when she later finds out that her father is lost and dying in the woods, she immediately wants to go and rescue him, and instead of taking him to the castle, she takes him to their home.

This is horribly written and there's probably more things but I'm tired and this is all I can recall right now

Merged Marcato's debating thread with the previous debating thread.

Oh oops, didn't even see this one.

Don't worry, it was pretty old (but it did show up through the forum's search function ).

that's debatable

Actually, I don't think Beauty & the Best portrays stockholm syndrome, but rather an abusive relationship where Belle disregards the abuse for the good qualities she sees in him, or convinces herself to.

I think it's one of those things that, once you get a certain mentality about things and experience the cynicism of every day life long enough, gets colored more by your mind. Yeah she does suffer harsh words and Beast is a huge booty, but I think the story is more about how Belle was able to touch Beast's heart with her gentle/ yet stern ways. It kinda shows how Belle was the strong one, and not the Beast, as would be expected. More basically, it shows that love and kindness are more powerful forces than anger and regret.

It sorta reminds me of how people interpret the song "Baby it's Cold Outside" nowadays. I was talking to my parents last winter, saying how the song creeps me out because it makes it sound like the dude is forcing the girl to stay against her will and she legit wants to go why the fuck is he being a creep job. My parents just kinda laughed at me and were talking about how they find the song romantic. They looked more at the undertones; how the woman probably wanted to stay and they were just playing love games. I think it's just about how you take in the media and how it comes out the other end of your brain. Many (like me) fall into the trap of taking things in a more negative way than a positive way.