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I have to question how organisms even became onto our planet. Could anyone please explain that to me?

A bit of luck, and a relatively infinite amount of time and matter. Picture it this way...

You are in the kitchen of your house. You have never cooked before, and have no recipe to work from. But you have a wide variety of ingredients in an effectively bottomless supply, and somewhere within those ingredients is the combination of things you need to bake a cake.

You now have your entire life to try and combine those ingredients in some way that will create a cake.

Sooner or later, you'll manage to make a cake...

Replace your lifespan with a 14 billion years, the kitchen with the Universe, and the cake with the first lifeform.

That's roughly how it worked.

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meyou22 wrote:
I have to question how organisms even became onto our planet. Could anyone please explain that to me?


Let's see.... from what I remember reading, scientists are pretty sure that the original elements that could come together to create life were just sitting around and an electrical current somehow set things in motion for the most basic and first lifeforms to be created.

Here's an article about it: link

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Back in the early 1950s, two chemists Stanley Miller and Harold Urey of the University of Chicago did an experiment that tried to recreate the conditions of a young Earth to see how the building blocks of life could have arisen. They used a closed loop of glass chambers and tubes with water and different mixes of hydrogen, ammonia, and methane; the gases thought to be in Earth's atmosphere billions of years ago. Then they zapped the mixture with an electrical current, to try and confirm a hypothesis that lightning may have triggered the origin of life. After a few days, the mixture turned brown.
When Miller analyzed the water, he found it contained amino acids, which are the building blocks of proteins — life's toolkit. The spark provided the energy for the molecules to recombine into amino acids, which rained out into the water. The experiment showed how simple molecules could be assembled into the more complex molecules necessary for life by natural processes, like lightning in Earth's primordial atmosphere.

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I'm just saying, people can make stupid decisions, get married, and don't pay the consequences by getting a divorce.

I say why should there be such a consequence? Isn't an absolutely devastated reputation bad enough? Why should there be such a life-changing (and life-ruining, even) punishment for such a minor offence as 'getting married before truly knowing everything about the other person'?
Now, I could be reaching to conclusions, as you could mean something other than as a punishment, but since that's what I think you most likely mean here, that's what I'm taking it to mean until otherwise stated.


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For me, I'm Pro-Choice, unless it's a teenager. I don't think teens should:
A. Have Condomless Sex in the first place
B. Not be on the pill.

Same thing as above, only even more serious. Being forced to have a child should not be considered a just punishment for not using protection when they did it; it ruins their whole life, after all! Again, I could be wrong, and you actually mean it as something other than punishment, but since you're Pro-Choice except in this case I can't see any other reason.


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I'm just saying, people can make stupid decisions, get married, and don't pay the consequences by getting a divorce.

I say why should there be such a consequence? Isn't an absolutely devastated reputation bad enough? Why should there be such a life-changing (and life-ruining, even) punishment for such a minor offence as 'getting married before truly knowing everything about the other person'?
Now, I could be reaching to conclusions, as you could mean something other than as a punishment, but since that's what I think you most likely mean here, that's what I'm taking it to mean until otherwise stated.


Read my other posts on this subject

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For me, I'm Pro-Choice, unless it's a teenager. I don't think teens should:
A. Have Condomless Sex in the first place
B. Not be on the pill.

Same thing as above, only even more serious. Being forced to have a child should not be considered a just punishment for not using protection when they did it; it ruins their whole life, after all! Again, I could be wrong, and you actually mean it as something other than punishment, but since you're Pro-Choice except in this case I can't see any other reason.


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It would solve everything.

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Plasma wrote:
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I'm just saying, people can make stupid decisions, get married, and don't pay the consequences by getting a divorce.

I say why should there be such a consequence? Isn't an absolutely devastated reputation bad enough? Why should there be such a life-changing (and life-ruining, even) punishment for such a minor offence as 'getting married before truly knowing everything about the other person'?

I actually think you summed up very nicely one of the things that I abhor about Christianity.

The average christian church heavily pushes people to get married very early in their relationship, by prohibiting people from being allowed to have a mature relationship with one another outside of marriage. And if a person is discovered to have had an adult interaction that resulted in a pregnancy, they are often given the ultimatum of either marrying, or being kicked out of the church.

Never mind you that if they had taught safe sex, that the folks wouldn't have accidently gotten pregnant in the first place.

I whole-heartedly believe that the high divorce rate in America is DIRECTLY tied to America's Christian heritage that continues to pollute people's minds into thinking that they have to marry in order to have a relationship.

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meyou22 wrote:
Read my other posts on this subject

The only other post I can find is on if it can be shown that the two people changed. My point isn't related to that.

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3 Words
Lie Detector Test.
It would solve everything.

1: That... explained nothing at all. How does whether someone is lying or not even partly come into play?
2: You can't seriously say that a lie detector test should be used in a major legal matter! The things measure sweat! There's a very good reason that courts aren't constantly using these things!

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I actually think you summed up very nicely one of the things that I abhor about Christianity.
The average christian church heavily pushes people to get married very early in their relationship, by prohibiting people from being allowed to have a mature relationship with one another outside of marriage. And if a person is discovered to have had an adult interaction that resulted in a pregnancy, they are often given the ultimatum of either marrying, or being kicked out of the church.

You're about 200(probably) years out of date. The Catholic Church (not saying anything about protestant churches, they're far too varied) certainly does not do that anymore! Some societies still would, but not the Church!

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Never mind you that if they had taught safe sex, that the folks wouldn't have accidently gotten pregnant in the first place.

Alcohol.
Contraception failure.

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I whole-heartedly believe that the high divorce rate in America is DIRECTLY tied to America's Christian heritage that continues to pollute people's minds into thinking that they have to marry in order to have a relationship.

Well that's a Catch 22. While it would reduce divorces... nobody would care, because marriages would mean nigh-on nothing then! Marriage is little more than one big commitment to a relationship!


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plasma wrote:
3 Words
Lie Detector Test.
It would solve everything.

1: That... explained nothing at all. How does whether someone is lying or not even partly come into play?
2: You can't seriously say that a lie detector test should be used in a major legal matter! The things measure sweat! There's a very good reason that courts aren't constantly using these things![/quote]
Furthermore, a court cannot force a person to take a lie detector test, and you can only submit a lie detector test as possible evidence for a cae if you chose to do so.

Furthermore, it is usually considered a very unwise legal move to submit to a lie detector test for a courtroom, even if you ARE telling the truth. Because they have a fairly high frequency of false positives.

Even if you are 100% telling the truth, it might decide to say you are lying.

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1. http://www.awkwardzombie.com/forum/view ... 571#104571 Go down.

2.
A. You said yourself that what if they WERE using those? They could lie and say they were.
B. I see your points there, yes.

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Karilyn wrote:
I actually think you summed up very nicely one of the things that I abhor about Christianity.

The average christian church heavily pushes people to get married very early in their relationship, by prohibiting people from being allowed to have a mature relationship with one another outside of marriage. And if a person is discovered to have had an adult interaction that resulted in a pregnancy, they are often given the ultimatum of either marrying, or being kicked out of the church.

You're about 200(probably) years out of date. The Catholic Church (not saying anything about protestant churches, they're far too varied) certainly does not do that anymore! Some societies still would, but not the Church!


I'm talking about Protestant churches. Yeah I know you don't live in America. But I was specifically referring to American churches.

I've been a member of I think 8 different churches in my life, all over the country (father was in the military, I've been to all corners of the country). And every single one of them, except for the GBLT church I went to for a few months before converting OUT of Christianity, would have done exactly what I said.

I've also poked and visited a fair 20+ different churches. Yeah it's a small sample size, but it still seems fairly accurate, when I watch the people around me combined with what I've already dealt with.

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Never mind you that if they had taught safe sex, that the folks wouldn't have accidently gotten pregnant in the first place.

Alcohol.
Contraception failure.

Exceptions may apply. It still does not mean that the overwhelming majority of accidental pregnancies occur due not being aware of how to perform safe sex.

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Marriage is little more than one big commitment to a relationship!

Exactly. And that is what it should be. But the Christian church IN AMERICA keeps trying to make it into a crucial moral obligation to become married before you pursue a relationship into any depth, such as moving in with one another or seeing if you are sexually compatible.

If you don't, you are a horrible sinner who will burn in the depths of hell for all eternity, and even God will not forgive you.

And thus people are miserable, and thus they wind up getting divorced.

I swear, it seems like the majority of marriages in America are getting married because they want to be able to move in with each other and make love. Or the woman became pregnant. Or some other reason which should be ANYTHING OTHER THAN A GOOD REASON TO GET MARRIED.

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Oh, Karilyn, you probably missed my other points that I edited into my last post.

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You have... several points below that post. Just say what point you're referring to already!

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You said yourself that what if they WERE using those? They could lie and say they were.

I didn't say that at all. I said that its not nearly a just punishment, period!


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Oh, Karilyn, you probably missed my other points that I edited into my last post.

I went back and edited them into my last post, as well as managed to TOTALLY FUCK UP THE QUOTES :shakefist:

But I think I got it fixed now.

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Oh, Karilyn, you probably missed my other points that I edited into my last post.

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You have... several points below that post. Just say what point you're referring to already!


God, you are lazy. *sigh*

I say that they should have to go in front of a judge, and have the judge decided if they should be allowed to go after a divorce.

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You said yourself that what if they WERE using those? They could lie and say they were.

I didn't say that at all. I said that its not nearly a just punishment, period!


Then what is a just punishment for having unprotected sex?

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Then what is a just punishment for having unprotected sex?

Putting the parents in prison for one year for failing to educate their child properly.

I'm not being literal of course... But daisies if it isn't absolutely disgusting that parents, schools, and churches teach abstinence only. And it daisies well should be criminal that people go out of their way to try and insure that when children do have sex, that they have it in the most dangerous ways possible.

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Then what is a just punishment for having unprotected sex?

Putting the parents in prison for one year for failing to educate their child properly.

I'm not being literal of course... But daisies if it isn't absolutely disgusting that parents, schools, and churches teach abstinence only. And it daisies well should be criminal that people go out of their way to try and insure that when children do have sex, that they have it in the most dangerous ways possible.


Honestly, I have to agree with you completely. I think that it's not only the parents that are to blame, but television can be sometimes too, and I want to put the blame on Reba, but I like the show too much.

Either way, your right, and the kids shouldn't suffer.

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I believe that everything is just left to chance, it was pure chance that we evolved, that we lived, that we didn't die. Everything has a ranging probability that nothing divine interferererererereres with.

So yeah, when you think about it, it's like, 1/9999999999999999999999 that I'm able to type this.


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