AWKWARD ZOMBIE

You forget that we can still gather information without a crap shoot witch hunt on our hands.

I'm fine with a first day lynch if there's evidence, but when do we expect to get any evidence, and can we really expect the majority to band around it?

Day 1 in my view is the day to get a lot of talking done with no action, so that later someone's complacency and remarks bites them in regards to the other evidence. Such as them being too lenient on someone who ended up being a human.

Besides which, the people who participate in a bad lynch on Day 1 are most likely on the chopping block the next day. Look how jumpy people got when number fingered you out of the blue. And then we get into psuedo arms races over whether the lynch is legit or "just trying to make you sweat". Here's the facts though, we deactivate a power role, people will want the circuitry of the machines who scrambled them, because of the "high chance" of them being humans. I'd rather make people talk and use their testimony against them later than jump the gun and wind up looking problematic.

I was going to say I was suspicious of someone else for making a vague reference to not trusting someone else, just so it's on the record for everyone else, but upon reading the thread again, I can't seem to find it. Strange. I'll look for it later when I'm less tired.

For now I'm just watching, and not holding my breath for any real progress today.

I'd say Kamak's thoughts on a no lynch are probably just based on the forum's history; none of us have ever been very good at first days. Any other time I'd call it a reasonable lead, but here I'm more surprised that people are going against it.

Also, I haven't really thought this all the way through but I'm gonna put it out here before going to sleep - couldn't humans try to get another robot lynched by steering us towards lynching one of our own? On the first day, statistically speaking, it is more likely the result will favor them than it will us.

Why do I want to lynch Turbo you ask? Why make such a cheap joke?

Might be because I didnt like what he said to me the First Day MAfia Chat of Another Game I remember so well 8===D (Has no affiliation whatsoever in shape or form to current game. Im allowed to do that right? Dont think its plot intensive :/ )

Okay then, here are the numbers. Sorry they aren't in a quote, I'm feeling a bit lazy today.

Basically the game starts at;

7 V 2

As a Town V Scum Ratio.

This first example assumes no PR influence.

Day 1- Lynch- 6 V 2
Night 1- Kill- 5 V 2

Now for Day 2 i will do 2 different situations, one with a no lynch, and one with a lynch

Day 2- Lynch- 4 V 2
Night 2- Kill- 3 V 2 LYLO

Scenario 2 is a no Lynch

Day 2- No Lynch- 5 V 2
Night 2- Kill- 4 V 2 MYLO

MYLO basically means if we lynch wrong, we lose (because the Mafia then have a kill, and Mafia can then No Lynch to a win), and we are more likely to mislynch so the only LOGICAL thing to do if town has 1 to many for LYLO is to No Lynch.

Day 3- No Lynch- 4 V 2
Night 3- Kill- 3 V 2 LYLO

Now lets analyze these 2 situations

Lynching every day, gives us 2 mislynches, and gets us to day 2

No Lynching on Day 2, gives us 1 mislynch, and gets us to day 3

Another thing about the No Lynch scenario, is we've allowed Scum to come to a 3 V 1 Kill ratio, in which they killed 3 townies, which generally means 3 stronger townies and 1 weaker townie are dead.

In a Always Lynch Scenario it becomes a 2 V 2 Scenario meaning 2 weaker townies, and 2 stronger townies are dead, obviously this is the optimal situation (generally speaking.)

The MYLO situation is also why a 1-shot Bulletproof can't give an extra mislynch, this will be shown in the next example

Day 1- Lynch- 6 V 2
Night 1- No Kill due to PR- 6 V 2
Day 2- Lynch- 5 V 2

We then come to 2 situations

Night 2- No Kill due to PR- 5 V 2

In which we now have an extra Mislynch and

Night 2- Kill- 4 V 2

In which we have to No Lynch anyway.

Uhm, it's 10v3 not 7v2.

ONLY A HUMAN WOULD MAKE A CALCULATION ERROR, KILL HIM! KILL HIM!
I jest.

I didn't make this. It was for a 7v2 setup but works relatively the same way.

I can understand your calculation but I think we all know those odds. Like Brekk already stated, we can slightly change those odds by analyzing others, get suspicions going and clear suspicions on others. The latest is something important as it narrows the chances of killing a robot.

Also, people seems to panic at the idea we might kill a robot on day 1. Must I remind everyone that barely anyone voted and that this day will most likely end in a no lynch anyway?

I'll use blue colors for people I trust and red colors for people I find suspicious.

Brekk : I like how he explained more clearly what we need to do today and how he gave his opinion on most players.
Giraffe : reacted positively to my vote. Can't tell yet on which side he is on since he didn't say much.
Runes : Neutral feeling about him. He hasn't said anything beneficial but hasn't been joking either.
Cori : Same thing.
Misterme7 : I like how you talk about odds and possibilities but I have this small feeling you're trying to push us to lynch anyone.
Kamak : So you need evidence? What about regular robots? Should they keep no lynching all game because they never get any evidence?
Kitsune : Centered on the master. Do you have any interest on what has been said until now?
D-vid : Has been joking a lot. When are you gonna start telling us your opinions?
Chopstix : I still can't buy his "Day 1 are for jokes". It's as if he doesn't care what happens today.

Everyone that didn't say anything yet : Inactives might be campers.

I'll tell you my opinions once I have some that are based on more than 1-2 posts by others.

So there is nothing you wish to say? Nobody to point out? We have time to wait, but I'd rather get on with it and nobody is going to say anything useful if everyone is waiting for those 1-2 posts. Even just being the target for a post you made brings information about others in the way they respond.

Not really anything since it's way too early in my opinion to say something about the others during day one.
Though if I were to say something, you and Numberplay look like you're out to get us riled up against each other.

If anything I don't think we are riling you guys against each other, but rather against us. I'm fine being in the sights though, as long as it results in more information that can be used and abused later.

Do I have much interest in what you folks have to say? Maybe ;3 This is a GAME after all. Id like to maybe live longer than a day or two, rather than get gangraped by the mafia, or getting stuffed into a pot of stew, or in the Snake Mafia game, stomped on my a giant robot foot when I check the firdge.

Im like the black guy in a Stephen King movie I swear.

I'm not for lynching just anyone. I want the vote to be from logical suspicion, but lynching someone who's suspicious and it turns out to be a mislynch is more informative than no lynching on a big argument day and having someone completely unrelated to the argument or lurking die from the night kill.

I can't recall how long you've been on the forum but if you know my personality you'd know all I do with my time is here post smart booty things and make really bad jokes. That's bodaciously all I do. Now I can understand why this could seem suspicious it's rally just playing on the history of day one games where like the first page is dumb jokes because no one wants to draw any sort of attention to themselves because people are looking for anything to nitpick and tear apart in order to try and find some guilt. But I think there's a point in day one where doing this is sort of like a dog chasing it's tail.

So, I can honestly tell you that that post was bodaciously a dumb joke playing on dumb jokes. No malice intent.