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Try actually reading my post before you get defensive, I clearly stated I was refering to the issues between the yes side and the no side. That said, the concept of "if you get angry and accuse others of being backwards assholes, that makes YOU a bigot" is getting really tired, why is it always the victims responsibility to make nice?

You're not asking for people to be what you want - which, if I hear correctly, you'd want them to agree that same-sex marriage is in all ways okay - and at the same time anyone who doesn't think same-sex marriage is in all ways okay (not what you want) is most likely already guilty of discrimination even if they haven't acted on it and even if they aren't aware of it? Is this what you mean?

No. They can have that opinion. I just think they're wrong and awful, and that it's dangerous and damaging to us.

You know, I'm really trying to be nice to everyone. It's been hard though with me having a conflicting opinion to a lot of my friends. I guess all I can do is tolerate and love others.

Anyway, the link is just to a video that shares some of my feelings, thoughts and worries. If I offend anyone, let me know so I can apologize.
EDIT: SCREW THIS LINK IT WAS AWFUL. SORRY PEEPS.

please explain how "traditional" marriage "Best raises children, protects women, civilizes men, lowers crime".

"Love" others? You're not loving them, you're loving an idealized version of them that correspond to YOUR world view. Being passive agressively polite about it doesnt change that.

Point out times in the last 25 years when the federal government has promoted marriage of any kind, much less same-sex marriage. They PERMIT it now, but they don't promote it. There is no government broadcast about the wonders and benefits of bumping uglies with your same-sex neighbor.

Also same-sex couples adopt children, which would otherwise grow up WITHOUT families at all.


And the gay uncle thing, which suggest that homosexuality is actually an evolutionary mechanism for supporting society when the population gets too large. Instead of adding more breeders to the populace, the homosexual men work and contribute to society WITHOUT adding any additional strain to it (food, medicine, etc. They don't produce kids, so they don't produce more mouths to feed).

Something else is fraternal birth order and sexual orientation in men. Studies have shown that the more older male siblings a guy has, the more likely it is for him to be homosexual. To help raise his nieces and nephews that will be birthed as a result of his older hetero siblings having children.


Also we seem to be handling taboo topics quite well without a taboo thread.

Don't be unfair to Curly. I'm certain she isn't being passive-aggressive. As she's said in other posts, she was raised in the Mormon faith and as such she was always told homosexuality is wrong but also to look past that and love everybody for real. That's what people who quote the Bible to condemn homosexuals fail to do.

Back to the main discussion:
People are free to hold whatever opinion they want about anything and there's nothing you can do about it without being a dick yourself. That is, until they act on it or announce it to the world, then they can be confronted about it and they have to deal with it.
Having a "wrong" opinion doesn't make you a bad person, it makes you have a "wrong" opinion. Doing something based on your "wrong" opinion it what makes you "wrong".

I don't have a problem with people having whatever religious beliefs they want(unless you're a death cult or something. Or Scientology), it's just when people use those religious beliefs as a basis to infringe on the rights of others or go out and tell people their lifestyle is going to condemn them to eternal damnation that I have an issue.

Where in the Bible does it say that you should definitely treat people who don't follow God's law poorly and fight against them having equal rights?

Look, you're 15 and you were raised by a mormon family Curly, but you need to educate yourself on these issues better. This video is a bunch of lies put together to discriminate against same-sex couples. This is in no way an acceptable point of view as it is completely wrong and not supported by any actual facts.

We still love you, Curly. Don't get the wrong idea! Being raised exclusively in one religion can be difficult to handle when faced with the world at large - it was a fun adventure for me and my devout Catholic family. It still is an adventure. For them. I make sure it is.

But you seem to look past the things you may disagree with and genuinely care about the happiness of others and love everyone, which is an INCREDIBLE thing that I wish more people who followed the bible did. Nowhere does it say to actively hate an entire group of people. It says to love everyone, and if you can do that then you are easily better than 95% of the planet!

[Citation Needed] for all of this video. All of it.

Im serious. if you can cite everything they're stating, I'll let you have your booty backwards beliefs and not be a decent contributing member to society

f you cant. Change your outlook and research things. It's like Great Handsome Oppressor said. You're 15. You're not far lost. don't let your parents and religion shape your own view of the world.

I couldnt even make it to the end of the video. 'm legit angry about how America and places that didnt promote same sex marriage until recently can hold such backwards and counter productive opinions and views despite being so prominent int he developed wold.


I do have to give the states a clap though. you're about 20 years too late, But good job. You didnt done fucked up this time.

I also find it Hilarious the amount of Americans saying they're gonna move to Canada.

We Legalized Same Sex marriage Ten years ago.

Jokes on you <3

edit: also iirc I think they did a study and it showed that same sex couples actally provided better for their children, but I could be wrong. I thought i read about it a few years ago.

Okay, that's where I absolutely gave up trying to finish that video. Curly, from what I've seen in your posts, you're a pretty nice person, but like Great Handsome Oppressor said, you need to educate yourself on these things a bit better. Being able to marry someone of the opposite sex doesn't equate to equality.

I'm not going to say anything too harsh though. I was against gay marriage and similar things when I was ~14-15ish as well. Being raised a certain way and then trying to figure out the world around you can be confusing.

You're still not explaining how simply having an opinion makes them terrible people. No one who likes broccoli vilifies people who don't like broccoli. Or who talk about how they dislike broccoli. If you attack broccoli, you're probably mentally damaged.

If you're not satisfied with the comparison, consider that people who simply don't like homosexuals normally don't threaten them directly. They're just there.
Yes, unlike broccoli haters, there are people who say things like "gay people will burn in hell", but there are also people who say that people who read the Harry Potter books will burn in hell. No one pays those people any heed, so why pay the homophobes who say the same thing any heed?

Yes, people who call homosexuals a detriment to society and whatnot do exist and are jerks, but are also a vocal minority, and can be ignored.
Minor expressions of an opinion of generally disliking homosexuality, meanwhile, remain just that, expressions of opinions.

Explain how in the world it is "damaging" and "dangerous" other than being a No vote on Prop 27954476-J or whatever.

If you can't understand how it is damaging to a person to know that there is a huge group of human beings that dislike them souly due to a part of themselves that they cannot change, then I can only imagine you lack anything resembling empathy for your fellow man. You wouldn't think someone was a terrible person if they disliked all people who had blue eyes? You wouldn't think that person was in the wrong for coming up with contrived reasons why every blue eyed person on earth has something wrong with them, and is less deserving of their respect because of their eye color? Maybe they could "back up" their opinion with studies that show how most serial killers have blue eyes, or some article linking the gene for blue eyes to autism or something. Point is, that person has decided that they hold a low opinion of a gigantic chunk of the human race because of something about them that they were born with and cannot change.

It might be hard for you to put yourself in the position of someone who has been discriminated against, or in the mindset of someone who has to wonder "Does this person have a problem with the fact that I'm black/gay/a woman/a man/fat/skinny/etc.?" every single day of their lives, but I live with some of those things and it's fucking hard to know that out in the world there are people who aren't gonna like me because of my skin or whatever other facet of my being they find distasteful.

This is not about one person somewhere having a negative opinion and keeping it to themselves. This is about thousands of people sharing a negative opinion about a group of people and that group of people knowing that at any moment they could be confronted by a person who has that opinion. It's honestly horrifying and saddening, but when it comes to myself, I choose to get up, go out, and live my life believing that people are mostly good. I'm not talking from the perspective of someone who is LGBQ. I'm talking from the perspective of a black man. No, a biracial black man with a white girlfriend who has endured staring and ignorant comments and jokes and all that dumb shit because of something I have no control over, and someone that I choose to spend my life with.