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D-vid · **Posted:** Wed May 04, 2011 5:09 am

Lambeth wrote:

KirinKalo wrote:

"I mourn the loss of thousands of precious lives, but I will not rejoice in the death of one, not even an enemy. Returning hate for hate multiplies hate, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that."
-Martin Luther King Jr.

He never said that

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"dicks" - Trygve

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Lambeth · **Posted:** Wed May 04, 2011 6:23 am

KirinKalo wrote:

If the burden of proof is on me then we are all screwed. In fact, I would say quite the opposite is true, the burden of proof is on the person that would like to know the truth. I have an very minority opinion that I feel is the truth, unfortunately most evidence that I have seen in the past is now saturated (perhaps intentionally) with an almost infinite amount of implausible theories that are almost all factually inaccurate. I implore you to look for the facts yourself if you are truly interested in finding out the truth for yourself, I can't really help you with that except to point you in the right direction. Beware if you go down that path because it is a very dangerous one that could ruin your entire outlook on existence and perhaps take the life of yourself and your loved ones. That's a good enough reason for us to stop talking about this, but hopefully the seed of truth has been planted and you see for yourself the reasons our leaders have driven us into a profitable war against the wishes of the majority based on a single attack from an enemy more than once.

Is that a convoluted way of saying you are wrong?

Shad · **Joined:** Tue Apr 14, 2009 9:43 pm **Posts:** 15289

Lambeth is so mad at KirinKalo for disagreeing with him it's not even funny.

Lambeth · **Posted:** Wed May 04, 2011 8:01 am

it has transcended funny

John Craft · **Posted:** Wed May 04, 2011 8:12 am

KirinKalo wrote:

If the burden of proof is on me then we are all screwed. In fact, I would say quite the opposite is true, the burden of proof is on the person that would like to know the truth. I have an very minority opinion that I feel is the truth, unfortunately most evidence that I have seen in the past is now saturated (perhaps intentionally) with an almost infinite amount of implausible theories that are almost all factually inaccurate. I implore you to look for the facts yourself if you are truly interested in finding out the truth for yourself, I can't really help you with that except to point you in the right direction. Beware if you go down that path because it is a very dangerous one that could ruin your entire outlook on existence and perhaps take the life of yourself and your loved ones. That's a good enough reason for us to stop talking about this, but hopefully the seed of truth has been planted and you see for yourself the reasons our leaders have driven us into a profitable war against the wishes of the majority based on a single attack from an enemy more than once.

No it's not.
You're the one claiming this or that is true.
We believe otherwise
you're the one trying to change our opinion
you're the one who has to give us proof.
'cause if you don't
we'll just say "oh, ok. Well then I'll just keep on thinking I'm right"
Why shouldn't we ? We're sure we're right.
As long as there's no reason to doubt what we're convinced of, why should we doubt ?

Shad · **Joined:** Tue Apr 14, 2009 9:43 pm **Posts:** 15289

You don't need facts to start doubting what you believe in.

John Craft · **Posted:** Wed May 04, 2011 8:23 am

That's right; but as long as I'm convinced of something, why should I stop ?
I should stop if someone has a point and actually starts having a proof saying otherwise. If there's nothing that makes my conviction doubtful, then I have no reason to doubt.
Being stubborn's wrong, right; but... why should I doubt about something for every single person who's going to say I'm wrong ? As long as they can't at least explain to me why I'm wrong, I shouldn't think I'm wrong.
Yet, as soon as I see such proof or argument, of course, that's also my job to think about it : THEN I doubt. Right.

Syobon · **Joined:** Mon Jan 24, 2011 10:34 am **Posts:** 15027

I'm kind of in a rush, so I might screw things up in this post.

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I'm cutting him down because I disagree with him, not because he's a newbie. This is also the first time I've ever seen the guy.

Kalo if you want to win me over post some links to justify your statements.

Wanting sources to prove his point is entirely justified, but you need to be more polite if you goal is truly an intelligent debate.

At the whole argument, the thing that makes the most sceptical towards these conspiracy theories is that they rarely give a decent motive. I'm open to any arguments, but so far you've provided little that has even interested me enough to investigate further. If you more arguments, especially towards supposed motives of the conspirators, do share them.

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Being stubborn's wrong, right; but... why should I doubt about something for every single person who's going to say I'm wrong ? As long as they can't at least explain to me why I'm wrong, I shouldn't think I'm wrong.

You're right in that there is no reason to assume you're wrong when no decent counter arguments have been presented, but a person who wants to find out the truth (big word, but I mean it in the literal sense that applies to anything), and who doesn't just want to win the argument, doubts his own theories and beliefs as well, in the sense that he applies the same demand of justification from them as he demands from other theories and beliefs.

Stranaton · **Posted:** Wed May 04, 2011 11:08 am

pop flyin' Star Wars Day! May the 4th be with you :awesomeface:

John Craft · **Posted:** Wed May 04, 2011 11:16 am

Syobon wrote:

Quote:

Being stubborn's wrong, right; but... why should I doubt about something for every single person who's going to say I'm wrong ? As long as they can't at least explain to me why I'm wrong, I shouldn't think I'm wrong.

You're right in that there is no reason to assume you're wrong when no decent counter arguments have been presented, but a person who wants to find out the truth (big word, but I mean it in the literal sense that applies to anything), and who doesn't just want to win the argument, doubts his own theories and beliefs as well, in the sense that he applies the same demand of justification from them as he demands from other theories and beliefs.

That's right; when I want to prove myself wrong, I try to find reasons; but that still means I presented myself with counterarguments, actually... I kinda told myself "wait, there [A], but when [B] happens, then [C]... would that actually mean that [D] ?"
It is useful to doubt, we always have to doubt, to wonder if we're right or not; but when it has a use. When there is something that tells us "what if ?..."
If there isn't even the slightest "what if ?...", why doubt ?
It's like, if you tell me "I saw a duck holding two knives and a gun and shooting and murdering dogs while performing kung-fu !"... why should I even doubt and wonder "well maybe he's right".
And sometimes, yes, some thoughts are full of shit and don't even deserve to be looked at -EXCEPT if they have some king of weight.
A thought that has no weight can't make one doubtful.

Madican · **Joined:** Sun Feb 20, 2011 8:18 pm **Posts:** 13531

Stranaton wrote:

pop flyin' Star Wars Day! May the 4th be with you :awesomeface:

Why is today Star Wars Day? There's a 4th in every month.

Stranaton · **Posted:** Wed May 04, 2011 11:42 am

Madican wrote:

Stranaton wrote:

pop flyin' Star Wars Day! May the 4th be with you :awesomeface:

Why is today Star Wars Day? There's a 4th in every month.

MAY

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