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 Post subject: Re: Prisonbreak Mafia - DAY 2
PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2013 4:03 pm 
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I'll admit that it's probably just because I don't like having to read his huge posts (I usually don't) but I would suggest Reyo as the lynch to test my theory, if y'all go through with it.

But I wouldn't suggest it unless you guys work out who to set his innocence or guilt against, because it's a bit of a pain for me to read through the rest of the thread on my phone.


I'd volunteer myself, but of course either I'm a prisoner or I'm not. If I'm a prisoner you learn nothing, and if I'm not then at best you'd get something out of my targeting Reyo? I haven't really set myself against anyone else. (Except Zanoushe as a joke)

(But I'm a prisoner so you wouldn't actually learn anything.)

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 Post subject: Re: Prisonbreak Mafia - DAY 2
PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2013 9:28 pm 
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That's a little strange. "I don't know what makes you guilty, but out of this list of people, I want to lynch you." I understand the need to lynch someone from a list of people despite a lack of evidence to suggest guilt, but in the very least we can pull some kind of "This is why you did it:" from our posteriors. And it's not even a case of "Well there's no evidence against everyone on the list" because there's never such thing as "zero evidence" against someone, particularly between individuals in a group. If there were no evidence against anybody, then picking one person would be a matter of bias. "Why that guy over this guy if they're essentially equal on the suspicion ladder?" If there's no tangible evidence, them it's personal evidence, which is subject to worse bias than Fox News during election year.

Even if the answer is "Well we need to pick SOMEONE!", which I understand, there's still the matter of it being faction vs faction. There's ever the possibility that you are, in fact, one of the bad guys looking to get a free kill. Even if it does make you look slightly more guilty, if you are guilty, you're going to claim ignorance. It's what any sane person would do. "I was a prisoner, I couldn't possibly know what side he was on. Guys c'mon plz!"

Given the shenanigans over the specific situation, if we're going to randomly lynch from a list of people, the very least we can do is look for SOME hard evidence against someone before dropping specific names.

And yes, I am only writing this novel because it was my specific name that was dropped. I may be a peon, but I still add to the ranks of the "good" party. Plus the fact that I don't want to die.

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 Post subject: Re: Prisonbreak Mafia - DAY 2
PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2013 10:05 pm 
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If you are innocent, you don't really need to write a novel in your defense, do you? You could just say, "I'm innocent," and that would be enough.

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 Post subject: Re: Prisonbreak Mafia - DAY 2
PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2013 10:19 pm 
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A novel proving my innocence is better than two words (really three) to prove my innocence. You really would much rather me give a half booty attempt at proving myself, or something that both tries to prove it, and suggests alternatives to figuring out who TO lynch.

Though if you really need 100% concrete proof, then you can lynch me and see for yourself, which would just give the wardens an even bigger advantage than if we were to not lynch anybody. That and it would defeat the purpose of convincing everyone that I'm innocent enough to where we lynch someone else and have a chance at getting one of the bad guys.

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 Post subject: Re: Prisonbreak Mafia - DAY 2
PostPosted: Mon Aug 19, 2013 2:15 am 
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Reyo you're making a silly mistake in your post

You say it would be bias

I say it is bias

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 Post subject: Re: Prisonbreak Mafia - DAY 2
PostPosted: Mon Aug 19, 2013 3:46 am 
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I don't quite understand. I said that making a blind decision like that would be based entirely on bias, and you agree with it? I don't see the silly mistake.

Besides, the whole point in me mentioning it is we should probably try and avoid that sort of bias as much as possible. Your gut feeling on me is worth as much as any gut feeling I'd have on you. Right now the only reason I'd have to suspect you would be the fact that you threw my name down to be lynched. Now, I take a step back and realize that you have a point in saying we need to lynch somebody if we want to get anywhere, but then I get suspicious again when you said that someone should go through and read my Stephen King novels before we actually go through with it (due to the reason that you had no reason to suspect me.) I usually base my suspicions on the strange things people say, which leads me to this question:

If you were going to suggest people read through the thread for evidence before suggesting a lynch, why drop anyone's (namely my) name at all?

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 Post subject: Re: Prisonbreak Mafia - DAY 2
PostPosted: Mon Aug 19, 2013 4:25 am 
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No, your mistake was saying it's bias in the first place when I obviously presented it as such from the start.

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 Post subject: Re: Prisonbreak Mafia - DAY 2
PostPosted: Mon Aug 19, 2013 4:28 am 
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As for dropping your name: you have arguably the largest presence in this thread. More people have argued with you than with each other. I'm my saying people should go through the thread to see if lynching you would give us suspects, I'm suggesting it to find out who you would give us as suspects.

I'm not presenting it as the only valid course of action, but I am presenting it as my preferred route. This is because of bias.

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 Post subject: Re: Prisonbreak Mafia - DAY 2
PostPosted: Mon Aug 19, 2013 4:29 am 
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*I'm not saying

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 Post subject: Re: Prisonbreak Mafia - DAY 2
PostPosted: Mon Aug 19, 2013 5:07 am 
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Ding Dong, time's up!
You didn't manage to decide what to do, so I'll take matters in my own hands.

And the wheel of depravity says... FlyingGiraffe!
You're a goner now.
We don't have the cheddar for fancy, tailored to the person deathtraps here, but just imagine getting your neck elongated until it snaps, mkay?

And with that,
FlyingGiraffe, Innocent who sold his soul to the Interrogator, got kicked out of the school soccer club.

NIGHT 3

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 Post subject: Re: Prisonbreak Mafia - DAY 2
PostPosted: Mon Aug 19, 2013 5:12 am 
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1. You never mentioned bias in the post in question, so the point you're trying to make that you inteoduced it as bias is debatable, at best.

2. I'm the largest presence in the thread because nobody else was doing anything to make themselves any sort of presence. As much as I like the humor, it gets us nowhere. I'm willing to stick my neck out to get things started, but then you kill me (see I'm innocent, but that's another point), lose that presence, and you'll be lucky if somebody gets it started again. The more rational people see that the last guy to start a massive discussion on what we should do got lynched, so why the hell should they talk? That's maladaptive.

3. We shouldn't lynch people based on what would be the most convenient to peg people to certain allegiences. For one, we still wouldn't be able to really tell. People who voted for an innocent could have either been wardens eager to pick people off, or innocents who were rightfully ignorant to the lynchee's allieguance. On the other hand, the people who didn't vote for the innocent person can either be innocents rightfully ignorant of the lynchee's allegiance, and therefore were hesitant, or warden's hoping to look innocent by claiming "I'm just an innocent who was rightfully ignorant of the lynchee's allegiance, and therefore was hesitant. You should trust me."

For two, that reasoning doesn't take into account whether you think I'm innocent or not. Not only is that inherently suspicious that you'd be willing to take that sort of option, but since I am innocent you'd be lynching someone who's townsided (prisonsided...?) to find out information that's only a class above trivial. We're better off basing suspicions on the things people have said that look suspicious, conversing with the suspects, and then coming to a general town (prison...?) consensus. That way, people can defend themselves to accusations, and any decision to lynch someone would be based on that evidence, and that defense.

That's what we were doing, but then you proposed this plan, singled me out, and accused me of saying something silly that makes no sense of why it's silly.

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 Post subject: Re: Prisonbreak Mafia - NIGHT 3
PostPosted: Mon Aug 19, 2013 5:14 am 
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Damnit D-vid how did you make your comment do that without the forum asking me to preview my comment?!

I...do I delete it? I...what? I don't know, goodnight......

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 Post subject: Re: Prisonbreak Mafia - NIGHT 3
PostPosted: Mon Aug 19, 2013 5:19 am 
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Eh, it's okay, you probably started writing yours before I did mine.

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 Post subject: Re: Prisonbreak Mafia - NIGHT 3
PostPosted: Mon Aug 19, 2013 1:44 pm 
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D-vid wrote:
5. You will be allowed one real-time week to deliberate on who to put in solitary during the Day. If no vote is decided by then, no one is lynched!

Why am I dead?

Good luck with the rest of the game everybody, and make sure to vote something or face the consequences.

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 Post subject: Re: Prisonbreak Mafia - NIGHT 3
PostPosted: Mon Aug 19, 2013 1:47 pm 
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Oh, that was still left from last game.

I felt that people have been a bit too silent, playing it save. That really doesn't make for an entertaining game if every day takes a week and every night half a week.
So someone had to die, and random picked you. Sorry mate.

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