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 Post subject: Re: Things that make you sad.
PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2015 7:52 pm 
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You should go see The Book of Mormon on Broadway.

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 Post subject: Re: Things that make you sad.
PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2015 8:02 pm 
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Being trans is also an especially vulnerable identity. People tend to see a trans persons gender as something up for debate. Rigid gender roles and dumb and exist from when women were property anyway.

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 Post subject: Re: Things that make you sad.
PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2015 9:51 pm 
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Yeah, we're pretty lucky to be living in a time where transgender people are starting to be kinda sorta a little bit less discriminated against.
Well, kinda lucky at least.


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 Post subject: Re: Things that make you sad.
PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2015 10:07 pm 
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Haha yeah kinda does sum up the experience there lol. I have hope that in my lifetime I'll see change. It still saddens me that so many trans people, especially teens, are killed or thrown out of their homes. Many states still allow people to deny equal opportunities to trans peopl even if they already have protections for sexual orientation.

However! I have had such great support as far as medical stuff. My doctor is compliant (though he doesn't get it) and psychiatrist is incredibly supportive and understanding. Good things do happen! Won't deny that.

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 Post subject: Re: Things that make you sad.
PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2015 11:58 pm 
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True, a lot has been made better and i'm glad for that but...

I'm kind of old fashioned. I think that People should only serious date when they are actually thinking about getting married. And I don't think people "sleeping together" outside of a married relationship is ok, but a lot of people think it is fine Also, people that have decided to change their gender. I love you guys on this forum and stuff and I try to respect your decision as it is yours to make, but i personally don't think it is right. I still love you guys as people though.

I... I don't know really how to describe it. I think it has a lot to do with being a mormon and all but...

I kind of wish I could live back in the 1840s.

Sorry if that made no sense, Even I am confused about the whole thing.



Why though?

I get the religion thing. proletariats before you ban me for the thousanth time, hear me out.

Why dont you try and deviate and see the world from a different perspective? what about people (I guess at the time) Loving each other and wanting to show it physically seems so wrong to you? What if the person I'm seeing is the one and I dont know it because I cant express myself and show how much we love each other with our bodies?
What about people wanting to express who they are deep down seems "unright" and something you dont agree with? I'm kinda curious if this extends out into homosexuality, but I dont know much about Mormons and the religion.

I'm not trying to stir stuff up, and If We could unlock Taboo to talk about this, that would be cool, But I've never understood why certain religions seem hellbent on making people unhappy and restricting basic human freedoms and liberties

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 Post subject: Re: Things that make you sad.
PostPosted: Thu May 28, 2015 12:04 am 
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Well I guess when people think other people's identity is gross they find a way to justify mistreatment, in my experience. It's not what curly specifically was trying to do but on the other hand saying you don't agree with who others are (under the assumption that it's a choice) doesn't have to go without criticism either.

Editing to clarify that this criticism extends not just to Mormon religion but religious institutions as a whole.

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 Post subject: Re: Things that make you sad.
PostPosted: Thu May 28, 2015 12:08 am 
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I'm just curious. I dont understand much about mormonism and I'd like to have a bit of an explanationa bout what int heir religion makes love and understanding wrong.


But This isnt the topic for it. Thats what Taboo is for.


I'm sad because I cant sleep and I have to go to my hellhole job tomorrow.

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 Post subject: Re: Things that make you sad.
PostPosted: Thu May 28, 2015 12:47 am 
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Well, let me try to explain. I'll use homosexuality as an example. I don't think it is right, BUT homosexual people are still people and they deserve rights too. I don't support Homosexuality but I'm not against it either.

People have the right to chose what they want to do with their life and I can't change that. It's just sometimes I can't get that things that so obviously seem wrong to me seem right to other people.

My favorite principal I've learned is to love everyone. No matter heir race, sex, religion or anything! But even though It is my favorite principal, It is probably one of the hardest ones for me to keep.

Also, with the "sleeping together" thing. I just believe it is a sacred thing that should be reserved for marriage. I guess the risk of getting STDs is also a reason why. But hey! It is your choice what you want to do with your life! I can't change that.

Gez, I swear my posts are progressively making less and less sense. Also, apologies if I made anyone feel uncomfortable or upset. I probably shouldn't have brought it up in the first place. Thanks! You guys are awesome!

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 Post subject: Re: Things that make you sad.
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Ive been banned for stupider things.

also I stubbed my baby toe on a box oh lord

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 Post subject: Re: Things that make you sad.
PostPosted: Thu May 28, 2015 1:04 am 
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I'm personally not a religious person, but Curly is what I imagine to be what religious people should be like. I personally think that if your religion tells you something like being gay or trans is wrong, that's cool. So long as you respect that everyone lives their life differently and deserves to live it without discrimination. Religion shouldn't be used as a weapon to make other peoples' lives harder, but instead to make life better for those that follow it.
Thumbs up to Curly.
(Sorry if this is against any sorta rule here, I'm still getting a grasp on what is and isn't okay to say on the forum.)

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 Post subject: Re: Things that make you sad.
PostPosted: Thu May 28, 2015 1:08 am 
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Curly Tale wrote:
Well, let me try to explain. I'll use homosexuality as an example. I don't think it is right, BUT homosexual people are still people and they deserve rights too. I don't support Homosexuality but I'm not against it either.

This is a perfectly fine position to hold, but special attention to the "deserve rights" part! The way I look at it is same-sex marriage (the big issue right now in the LGBTQ community) is less of a religious issue that most people see it as and more of an issue of equal rights.

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People have the right to chose what they want to do with their life and I can't change that. It's just sometimes I can't get that things that so obviously seem wrong to me seem right to other people.

Different people come from different backgrounds and develop in different ways. So long as you respect that other people have different ideas, then other people should respect you!

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My favorite principal I've learned is to love everyone. No matter heir race, sex, religion or anything! But even though It is my favorite principal, It is probably one of the hardest ones for me to keep.

<3 This is all that matters. You understand what MANY religious people don't - nowhere in the book does it say to totally exclude and hate people who live different lifestyles, but it does say in MANY DIFFERENT PLACES to love and treat everyone equally.

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Gez, I swear my posts are progressively making less and less sense. Also, apologies if I made anyone feel uncomfortable or upset. I probably shouldn't have brought it up in the first place. Thanks! You guys are awesome!

Uncomfortable and upset is the reason for the LGBTQA/GSRM thread, really. Not everyone likes to read about that sort of thing, so we contain it all in one spot so it can be avoided if desired (except for this thread, now. heh).

You're awesome too!

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 Post subject: Re: Things that make you sad.
PostPosted: Thu May 28, 2015 1:19 am 
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If anything, it's probably just culture shock that you're experiencing. Things that make sense to some can make absolutely no sense to others because of the backgrounds and experiences that they have are very different. It's really good on you that you're being respectful though, so don't be too tough on yourself. You're a really rad person.

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 Post subject: Re: Things that make you sad.
PostPosted: Thu May 28, 2015 1:35 am 
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It seems like this is pretty much done, but if anyone really seconds the motion to unlock Taboo, I will do so.


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 Post subject: Re: Things that make you sad.
PostPosted: Thu May 28, 2015 1:46 am 
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Yeah. I think that it might be best that if anyone has any further questions for me they can just PM me and I'll answer it eventually after my vacation.

But before I leave I wanted to thank you all. I feel like talking it out here has helped me understand the source of my sadness and confusion and has helped me figure out a way to cope with it. You guys really are the best!

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