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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 2:28 pm 
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If I did do anything related to this, which I might, I actually vaguely knew about him before this, it wouldn't be KONY 2012, since, as noted, sounds like a presidential campaign. People don't generally google presidential people (unless it's to laugh at santorum) and instead get everything from the news.
Really the best thing to do would be to send letters to people with actual pull, like congressmen or others in governmental offices. Not spackle posters on the street corner.

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 Post subject: Re: KONY 2012
PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 2:42 pm 
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I believe that the best bet for stability not just for Uganda, but for the rest of Africa, is to invest in programs that can bring self-sufficiency to the societies. Sending temporary aid is important, but something must be done to create a stable infrastructure in which people are safe and self-sufficient. Funding the creation and running of schools is one important step towards this goal. Education is the bane of corruption.

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 Post subject: Re: KONY 2012
PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 9:12 am 
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Yeah, as far as I've known our high school's World Geography teacher has always shown something about the Invisible Children and did her own fundraiser thing to support the movement. At the time I was like "Save ALL the people" but now that I read this I think she should go about it differently and not brainwash our Freshmen into giving all of their cheddar to this cause because if you don't you're an insensitive booty or whatever.

And the fact that it's getting this widespread now means that it's not just Freshmen getting brainwashed. Joseph Kony is horrible, but I agree with Great Handsome Oppressor and others about funding the wrong people. If you really cared and had the finances for it, you'd go out and do it yourself because that's how shit gets done.

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 Post subject: Re: KONY 2012
PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 12:42 pm 
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So I found this, worth a read. I don't have the confirmation that either is true but if anyone does, please say so.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... -film.html

http://blackstarnews.com/news/135/ARTIC ... 03-08.html


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 Post subject: Re: KONY 2012
PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 8:00 pm 
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I've been a member of Invisible Children for several years now, and I cannot express how great it is to see this thread here. Whether or not you agree with the aim of this mission or the manner in which it is being carried out, it's impossible to deny the terrible actions of Kony and his rightful place among the world's most wanted War Criminals.

Additionally, it remains that this movement - whether it succeeds or not - is a significant step towards establishing a world community that recognizes the atrocities and hardships that our neighbors face.

I support this movement not simply because I believe that Kony should be brought to justice (which he absolutely should be), but because I believe in helping to facilitate a level of communication with my peers, leaders, and international comrades that is VITAL in assuring that, as we move forward, we ALL help to create a responsive, cohesive, and alert world-wide society. My values may sound socialist, but I truly believe that no progress can be made in our increasingly connected world without establishing this level of cooperation.

I am not belittling the situation that is going on in Uganda - Kony's actions are among the most disgusting and barbarous that I have ever heard of. I am simply stating - this mission goes beyond even the simple parameters of its primary goal; it advocates a movement toward a global outreach system that is run BY the people of the world FOR the people of the world through communication and organized effort.

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 Post subject: Re: KONY 2012
PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 8:04 pm 
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Er, that's part of the criticism against Invisible Children in that there's nothing happening in Uganda. Kony was run out six years ago and they haven't seen him since. The organization you're praising is doing its best to ruin the peace they worked to achieve, through propaganda and trickery.

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 Post subject: Re: KONY 2012
PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 8:12 pm 
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The video clearly states that he was run out of Africa 6 years ago, and that efforts for his arrest rely directly upon training the Ugandan military in order to track him in the vast jungle. It is his past actions that must still be taken into account, and it is the principle of FOLLOWING THROUGH with his arrest that is important for this cause. I realized after I had posted that I had misspoken, and I apologize.

However, I can hardly see how IC is "ruining" Uganda. The US troops needed would be there as a TINY force for training the Ugandan military in tracking tactics ONLY. It's not like we're going to all out war in Africa. US Militray presence is already in Uganda, and an article posted above even states how, despite US presence, "There is peace...we are pop flyin'." I don't see how this training is ruining anything at all.


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 Post subject: Re: KONY 2012
PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 8:35 pm 
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Why Invisible Children is a shitty charity (a story in pictures):

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As you can see, 20% of all contributions don't go to their actual charity and the CEOs have a rather nice salary/salary percentage. 80% is a pretty dismal number for cheddar actually going to charity.

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 Post subject: Re: KONY 2012
PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 9:17 pm 
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Isn't part of that 80% going into their films and propaganda as well, or am I mistaking that for the 20%?

Either way, the more I'm learning about the Invisible Children and how Uganda itself is reacting to this scenario, the greater my disdain is for them.

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 Post subject: Re: KONY 2012
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The problem I have with this whole thing is that it's focusing on the wrong stuff. Yes, Kony is an awful criminal, but he is merely a symptom of the problem. A lot of African countries' situation is incredibly shitty, and because of the political instability, warlords like Kony are common, although not always on the same scale. Child soldiers as well are common, and always have been. This is not a new thing.

On one hand, I guess it's positive that more attention is brought to the situation in Africa, but I cannot agree with this propaganda-esque way of campaigning. Although it is unarguably effective, it leads to uninformed fervour, which can do more bad than good.


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The blind, sheep-like mentality I see among so many young adults is utterly exasperating. No one cares about educating themselves. They just get fed one side of "facts" and follow along because that's what the other cool kids are doing.

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 Post subject: Re: KONY 2012
PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 8:00 am 
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Pomee wrote:
Dear Jason Russell,

After being bombarded with your KONY 2012 crusade, I have no choice but to respond to your highly inaccurate, offensive, and harmful propaganda. I realized I had to respond in hopes of stopping you before you cause more violence and deaths to the Acholi people (Northern Ugandans), the very people you are claiming to protect.

Firstly, I would like to question your timing of this KONY 2012 crusade in Uganda when most of the violence from Joseph Kony and the LRA (The Lord’s Resistance Army) has subsided in Uganda in the past 5 years. The LRA has moved onto neighboring countries like the DRC and Sudan. Why are you not urging action in the countries he is currently in? Why are you worried about Kony all of a sudden when Ugandans are not at this present moment?

This grossly illogical timing and statements on your website such as “Click here to buy your KONY 2012 products” makes me believe that the timing has more to do with your commercial interests than humanitarian interests. With the upcoming U.S. presidential elections and the waning interest in Invisible Children, it seems to be perfect timing to start a crusade. I also must add at this point how much it personally disgusts me the way in which you have commercialized a conflict in which thousands of people have died.

Secondly, I would like to address the highly inaccurate content of your video. Your video did not leave the viewer any more knowledgeable about the conflict in Uganda, but only emotionally assaulted. I could not help but notice how conveniently one-sided the “explanation” in your video was. There was absolutely no mention of the role of the Ugandan government and military in the conflict. Let alone the role of the U.S. government and military. The only information given is “KONY MUST BE STOPPED.”

I would like to inform you that stopping Kony would not end the conflict. (It is correctly pronounced “Kohn” by the way). This conflict is deeply embedded in Uganda’s history that neither starts nor ends with Kony. Therefore, your solution to the problem is flawed. There is no way to know the solution, without full knowledge of the problem itself. We must act on knowledge, not emotions.

Joseph Kony formed the LRA in retaliation to the brutality of President Museveni (from the south) committing mass atrocities on the Acholi people (from the north) when President Museveni came to power in 1986. This follows a long history of Ugandan politics that can be traced back to pre-colonial times. The conflict must be contextualized within this history. (If you want to have this proper knowledge, I suggest you start by working with scholars, not celebrities). President Museveni is still in power and in his reign of 26 years he has arguably killed as many, if not more Acholi people, than Joseph Kony. Why is President Museveni not demonized, let alone mentioned? I would like to give you more credit than just ignorance. I have three guesses. One is that Invisible Children has close ties with the Ugandan government and military, which it has been accused of many times. Second, is that you are willing to fight Kony, but not the U.S. Government, which openly supports President Museveni. Third, is that Invisible Children feels the need to reduce the conflict to better commercialize it.

This brings me to my third issue, the highly offensive nature of your video. Firstly, it is offensive to your viewer. The scene with your “explanation” of the conflict to your toddler son suggests that the viewers have the mental capacity of a toddler and can only handle information given in such a reductionist manner. I would like to think American teenagers and young adults (which is clearly your target audience) are smarter than your toddler son. I would hope that we are able to realize that it is not a “Star Wars” game with aliens and robots in some far off galaxy as your son suggests, but a real world conflict with real world people in Uganda. This is a real life conflict with real life consequences.

Secondly, and more importantly, it is offensive to Ugandans. The very name “Invisible Children” is offensive. You claim you make the invisible, visible. The statements, “We have seen these kids.” and “No one knew about these kids.” are part of your slogan. You seem to be strongly hinting that you somehow have validated and found these kids and their struggles.

Whether you see them or not, they were always there. Your having seen the kids does not validate their existence in any shape or form or bring it any more significance. You say “no one” knew about the kids. What about the kids themselves? What about the families of the kids who were killed and abducted? Are they “no one?” Are they not human?

These children are not invisible, you are making them invisible by silencing, dehumanizing, marketing, and invalidating them.

Last year I went to Gulu, Uganda, where Invisible Children is based, and interviewed over 50 locals. Every single person questioned Invisible Children’s legitimacy and intention. Every single person. If anything, it seemed the people saw Invisible Children as a bigger threat than Joseph Kony at the time. Why is it the very people you are trying to “help” feel more offense than relief with your aid?

“They come here to make cheddar and use us.”

“It makes us feel terrible to be presented as being so stupid and helpless.”

These are direct quotes. This was the sentiment of the majority of the people that I interviewed in varying degrees. I definitely didn’t see or hear these voices or opinions in your video. If you are to be “saving” the Acholi people, the very least you can be doing is holding yourself accountable to them and actually listening to what they have to say.

This offensive, inaccurate misconstruction of Ugandans and its conflict makes me wonder what and whom this is really about. It seems that you feel very good about yourself being a savior, a Luke Skywalker of sorts, and same with the girl in your video who passionately states, “This is what defines us”. Therefore, I can’t help but wonder if Invisible Children is more about defining the American do-gooders (and making them feel good), rather than the Ugandans; profiteering the American military and corporations (which Invisible Children is officially and legally) than the conflict.

Lastly, I would like to address the harmful nature of your propaganda. I believe your actions will actually bring back the fighting in Northern Uganda. You are not asking for peace, but violence. The fighting has stopped in the past 5 years and the Acholi are finally enjoying some peace. You will be inviting the LRA and the fighting back into Uganda and disturbing this peace. The last time Invisible Children got politically involved and began lobbying it actually caused more violence and deaths. I beg you not to do it again.

If you open your eyes and see the actions of the Ugandan government and the U.S. government, you will see why. Why is it that suddenly in October of 2011 when there has been relative peace in Uganda for 4 years, President Obama decided to send troops into Uganda? Why is it that the U.S. military is so involved with AFRICOM, which has been pervading African countries, including Uganda? Why is it that U.S. has been traced to creating the very weapons that has been used in the violence? The U.S. is entering Uganda and other countries in Africa not to stop violence, but to create a new battlefield.

In your video you urge that the first course of action is that the Ugandan military needs American military and weapons. You are giving weapons to the very people who were killing the Acholi people in the first place. You are helping to open the grounds for America to make Uganda into a battlefield in which it can profit and gain power. Please recognize this is all part of a bigger military movement, not a humanitarian movement. This will cause deaths, not save lives. This will be doing more harm, than good.

You end your video with saying, “I will stop at nothing”. If nothing else, will you not stop for the lives of the Acholi people? Haven’t enough Acholi people suffered in the violence between the LRA and the Ugandan government? Our alliance should not be with the U.S. government or the Ugandan military or the LRA, but the Acholi people. There is a Ugandan saying that goes, “The grass will always suffer when two elephants fight.” Isn’t it time we let the grass grow?

Thank you.

Sincerely,

Amber Ha



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fuck you jason russell.

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Shut up, Jason.


I knew this was going to happen. Now it's just a matter of waiting and seeing if those who agreed to join the Invisible Children will continue.

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