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Because when you give an artist cheddar, you're giving that artist funds to put to whatever they want.

So, when you buy things from Card, you are bodaciously funding anti-LGTBQ movements.

It's really, bodaciously that simple. You buy things from people, they use the cheddar however they want, and Card funds a lot of really homophobic and transphobic shit. You help him to do that.

Even if you buy the book used or pirate it or whatever, you're still putting forth the idea that something he did was worthwhile and that has the unfortunate side effect of still being publicity and publicity = cheddar.

No, you are not funding anything of the sort when you purchase a book, Galaxy Man. When you purchase a book you are rewarding the writer for their writing. That's a good thing and totally separate from any views the writer may hold.

Even if the writer then turns around and uses the cheddar to fund bigotry then you have not funded it yourself. You paid the writer for a service he provided and from that point forward the cheddar was his and all connection you may have had to it was ended. He spends his cheddar to fund that sort of thing, not yours, so you are most definitely NOT "bodaciously" funding the organizations he supports.

I am going to say something similar to Galaxy, except in a way that will possibly seem less argumentative.

When you pay someone for something, you have no say in how the person uses that cheddar, so they might use it for something you don't want.
When there is a speaker/writer/business owner who is very vocal about their views, and actively does something to try and (for lack of a better word) "enforce" them, chances are, part of their activity in that cause or anti-cause will involve financial contribution. That cheddar has to come from somewhere, right?


So when you have someone that disagrees with this speaker/writer/business owner/visible person, they might be wary about potentially enabling the visible person to contribute financially or by bringing attention/rallying support to the cause/views that the consumer disagrees with. Since they obviously can't tell the visible person what to do with the cheddar once they have it, some people just consider it a safer bet to not give them the cheddar at all.


Orson Scott Card has almost undoubtedly calculated whether or not he can afford the backlash from this activism, otherwise he wouldn't have been vocal about it.
If he didn't want the concept of people paying him to be connected to his views, then he wouldn't have expressed them. I personally just never got around to reading them, so I don't know exactly what I'd either be missing or indirectly "supporting".

That's just semantics.
You give him cheddar by buying his stuff, he can't do these things without that cheddar, so you ARE funding whatever he does, be that rent and food or anti-gay demonstrations.
If you know what he's gonna use his cheddar for and you don't like the things, the best idea would be not buying his stuff so he can't do the things he does you don't like or at least has a harder time financing them.

THANK you. I dont understand why people have such a hard time grasping this. If you want to buy something because you enjoy it, do it, but dont try to pretend you're blameless in supporting Card then. Its like the people who eat at Chick-Fil-A, even though they directly fund anti-gay groups, just because they like chicken. Fine, you dont care, but dont come and whine when people criticize your choices.

In my humble opinion, people who attack others for buying the book of an author who is anti-LGBT need to do a reality check.

I have read Ender's Game and it's a fantastic literary work. NOTHING will change that. Not even the opinions of the author. While you can protest against the author all you want by not buying their book, urging others to do the same, attacking people for not doing so will not get you the response you are wanting. Hostility only breeds hostility. Nobody wants to "be on the same side" as the people who verbally attack others.

While true that buying their products indirectly supports their political intentions, doing so should not be grounds for chastising. Honestly, I'm having a hard time arguing for this because I don't really see any reason to have an argument. I don't like his views, but I do like his books. No arguments about where the cheddar goes will stop me from liking his works.

Personally, I set aside the quality of his works because his negative traits outweigh that in comparison. So his works could be the best books in the world but I still wouldn't buy them cause I don't want him to have my cheddar and I can live without reading his books.
But of course you are free to buy his books if you don't share this opinion.

While the quality of his work is entirerly subjective, his views arent. And you can try and justify it all you want, but it all comes down to that a person making something you enjoy is a horrible bastard, and you dont want to give up the thing you enjoy, so you try and justify why his work is somehow separate from his person, which, I might add, it is not. No one can actually tell you to stop reading his works, but yes, you are supporting his views by supporting him as a person. If you dont want to give it up, fine, but then you can atleast admit that your entertainment matters more to you than gay rights does. Sure, he's an outspoken homophobe who wants to deny civil rights to millions, but HEY, this book he wrote is neat, so lets just ignore the unpleasant aspects. I've had to make this choice myself several times. Tom Cruise movies, gone. Mel Gibson movies, gone. Because you know what? Being entertained isnt as important to me as not supporting people who consider me subhuman.

In my opinion, it's entirely a matter of personal choice. If you enjoy a piece of media presented to you by someone whose views you don't agree with, YOU choose whether or not you want to continue supporting his or her work. I don't think this is really an issue or right or wrong, but something for people to decide for themselves.

A person is not separate from their work. A person is never separate from their work. You praise the work, you are praising the person by proxy, if not directly.

Orson Scott Card is a horrible person. Dreadful. His talent as a writer should not override this. It doesn't matter how well he writes, he's no less of a horrible person. When you buy things that he made, you are supporting him. If you support him, he is able to do all the terrible things he does.

So, logically, the idea would be not to support him.

I'm not entirely clear on why people have such a hard time with this. It's not going to ruin your life if you skip a movie, or a book, or a TV show or whatever. It's not like you don't matter either. You're the consumer, you're all that matters. What you do can and will change everything. If you don't consume from a specific person, they stop producing. It's that simple.

So why support a guy who actively campaigns for homosexuals to be less than human in the eyes of the law? Why do that? What is the reasoning behind giving that man cheddar? Why is that worth being entertained for a little while?

So the gist of what you're all saying is that I should buy Ender's Game from Half-Price Books?

Why did I have to click this thread? This kind of stuff ruins things for me. Already quit listening to Megadeth because of Dave Mustaine's view on Gay rights.

Anyway, I agree with Galaxy's side on this for the most part. All except for what he said about pirating it or buying used. Sure it'll give publicity, but I don't see how that can equal cheddar as long as you don't go around telling people it's the best things ever and getting them to buy it. And I don't think liking a person's work is the same as supporting them.

I like Card's writing, and I've read 4 books of the Ender series without knowing his views on anything. I enjoy his writing and I'm going to finish the series. I'm only going to borrow them from the library though, and if that little amount of publicity is enough for you to say I agree with his views, then so be it.

Barabba, this isn't the place for jokes.

I understand where you're coming from, but I can also see the other side of the argument as well. When I listen to a Michael Jackson song, I don't think, "Man, he was put on trial for child molestation, what an awful person." When I see a Beatles poster, I don't think, "Wow, they did so many drugs, that's pretty awful." I'm not saying people are wrong for not purchasing content from content creators that have views they disagree with, but I don't think people who DO purchase that same content are wrong for doing so, either.

They have the right to consume whatever products they want, but they dont get to simply ignore their own impact on the creator. Its easy to shrug and say that you dont support the guy, you just like his work, but you DO support him by giving him cheddar and attention. I dont care about drug use, I dont care about alcoholism, I dont care about adultery, but I will not accept racism, homophobia or religious intolerance from ANY creator who's works I enjoy, but apparently this is some sort of radical mode of thinking and outright offensive when you point out to people that giving Mel Gibson cheddar so he can make more anti-semitic propaganda might not be the best idea. People just seem to care about what they want right this minute, and dont want to admit it might have a negative impact on someone else.